Bill Arnold wrote:
> Leland, 
>
> I believe that OT has been slowly sinking over a long period of time at
> the hand of two hecklers and their bombardments. We (I, anyway) tried
> filters, but it doesn't work because it leaves them unchallenged and
> they only feed on that. 
>   
This is America; land of free speech, so everyone has the right to 
express their beliefs.  I kind of enjoy reading post from those in the 
extreme right, and have to chuckle at some of the comments that come 
across, and some comments I feel challenged to make a response, so OT 
remain balanced, and to have my view on various subject expressed.  I 
feel like OT is more for recreation and fun than work.

> Since a total of 1 person voted on whether to continue or shut down
> discussion on the most important subject of our times, I have to
> conclude that either apathy rules or nobody is listening.
Perhaps people did not realize they needed to be logged into OpenTech in 
order to vote.  I saw plenty of views, but very few votes.  I first try 
to vote and when unable to select a radio button decided the survey was 
not properly setup, but then it dawned on me to log into OpenTech to vote.

>   
>
> In any case, what I see is that further discussion here on the subject
> of the war is, for now anyway, just a waste of time. Attitudes will
> change when things get worse, but I do wonder if then people will listen
> to reason or react blindly out of fear.
>   
Debate is good, and it takes two side to have a debate.  If everyone sat 
around agreeing on all the subject of the day, OT would become pretty 
boring.  So far as I'm concerned, you held up more than your fair share 
of the debate.  I really enjoy your informative post, which provoke the 
old noddle into contemplation and review of my positions on issues.

> I feel we did the very best we could to uncover the root causes of this
> war, and with that information we can see the obvious solution: the
> removal of Big Money from the election process and replacing all of
> those lackeys with competent people who really care about America and
> the world around us. It's still not too late, but we are very much in a
> race between doing that and suffering further at the hand of the
> interests that duped us into war. I really don't know what the future
> holds, but if our little OT group is any kind of indicator, things
> aren't looking good.
>
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>
> I'm going to turn all of my attention to work for now. My business has
> definitely suffered from precious time and attention diverted, and I'm
> probably on 'black lists' to boot. I do stand by every word I've said,
> and have no regrets. 
>   
I refuse to let you leave OT <g> , because OT would be greatly 
diminished without some input from you.  Work is fine and has to be 
done, but nothing is more important than standing up for your beliefs in 
our country, and expressing your thoughts as to how to make America better.

Regards,

LelandJ

>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>   
>> The folly is you, or anyone else on the list, would believe 
>> the I, Bill Arnold, or any others profox[OT} mail list user might be
>>     
> prejudiced 
>   
>> towards a people, because of their race, religion, national origin, 
>> gender, authenticity, or any other feature that could be used as a 
>> common denominator to stereotype a group of people.  The common 
>> denominator that should come first in the U.S. is that we are all 
>> Americans, regardless of race, religion, etc., and that common 
>> denominator does come first with me.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>     
>
>
>
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