If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and 
save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week.  Then 
you can add functionality a little at a time.  Also, the framework 
usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone 
going in a hurry.   A command window is fine, but limited, as the code 
go away when the window is closed.  I believe its better to have 
test/learn code in a file that can be run and debugged.

Regards,

LelandJ

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>   
>> Can't the basics to which you referred be learned within the  
>> framework,
>> or as a subset of the languages used by the framework?  For example
>> perl, python, php, java, c#, or pick your own.
>>     
>
>       It is the imposition of a framework that is the problem. There is  
> just so much stuff that comes along with mega environments that  
> newbies can get overwhelmed by.
>
>       My choice is a command-line terminal. Hell, if you have a problem  
> typing commands, you've just saved yourself a lot of grief, since  
> programming obviously isn't for you!
>
> -- Ed Leafe
> -- http://leafe.com
> -- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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