On 8/16/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe he meant not to write it in VFP at all? He admitted he's stopped
> entirely, himself...

Nope. Sorry I was not more clear. FoxPro is the best language and IDE
for developing deskop apps on Windows-only. Dabo is a better choice
for cross-platform rich-client apps and may soon eclipse VFP. And
there's a great horse race with a number of powerful competitors in
the web and mobile and SOA spaces, but I'm a lot more inclined to back
some of the well-licensed solutions in Python, PHP or Ruby.

On 8/16/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A couple of messages up you said the thing I quoted in that message,
> ie
>
> > Codebook was written a long time ago. Some of the thoughts of the
> > ways to do things have evolved since then.
>
> At the time Paul Newton asked what you were referring to, and I'm
> interested too.  "Too busy" is certainly a valid reply though.
>

Our thread diverged, and Paul was asking me a somewhat different
question, I think.

First, that quote: Codebook is the original 3rd party framework and
even got a 2.0 boost. Other frameworks built on top off, completely
revised, or were built in parallel to the original CodeBook:
COMCodebook, Mere Mortals, Visual MaxFramePro, Visual Fox Express. All
have later, superior designs and even standalone tools like Rick
Schummer's ViewEditor rock in comparison to the older data handling
methods.

Several parties have commented that they prefer SPT, bringing down the
data, making the view updateable with MakeUpdateable or the like, and
then pushing the data up to the backend either with TableUpdate() or
using SPT like "Class Based Data Management" from Andy Kramek at
http://www.tightlinecomputers.com/Downloads.htm That would be my
preference were I to write another VFP app.

Paul called me, and quite correctly, I think, on my comment that the
assumptions in the designs of FoxPro itself were "dated." Wrestling
with this one over a long weekend, I asked to withdraw the comment as
not exactly what I meant. I came to recognize that the core engine of
FoxPro is flexible enough to handle the latest buzzy designs of Aspect
Oriented Programming or Functional Programming or the ActiveRecord
pattern, but that the constructs of last decade, like Codebook, hadn't
integrated in such cutting-edge designs.

-- 
Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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