No the Obamesiah is not that powerful to cause the whole mess.  But he can 
aggravate it.  We are in for a drawn out recession, even depression as we shift 
back to a more cash oriented economy because of the tighten credit situation.  
This is not necessarily bad, but the next few years could be tough as many have 
already spent the money for those years consumption and must pay it back to Cap 
One et al. The almost universal greed and credit dependence has done us all in.

Larry Miller


----- Original Message -----
From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:14:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] Insurancegate

Yeah, I can see at least two other concerns that could aggravate the 
credit crisis.  Too many people have become dependent on their credit 
cards to support their standard of living.  If too many people begin 
defaulting on there credit card debt, and the credit card companies 
begin pull in their horns on this kind of credit, that could deliver 
another big blow to the economy.  Must retail store are dependent on 
their customer having those plastic cards for credit upon which to 
consume the stores goods and service.

Also, many people have used the equity in there homes upon which to 
borrow to maintain there standard of living, and this source of credit 
could dry up with many defaults already occurring as real estate values 
decline.

President-elect Obama must be pretty powerful to have caused such an 
upheaval, and he has even taken office yet.  LOL

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:
> Nope.
>
> Everybody thinks we're near the bottom which means we ain't
>
> ************************************************* 
> Barack Obama is not My President
>
> http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Leland F. Jackson, CPA  wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Insurancegate
>> To: "ProFox Email List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 4:28 PM
>> Yep, the DJIA closed at 8,282.66, down 411.30 point or down
>> 4.73% for 
>> the day.  The market will not start back up until everyone
>> thinks the 
>> market will keep going down forever, so we are getting
>> close to a bottom 
>> upon which the next great bull market will arise. 
>> Conversely, the 
>> market will never crash until it has reached a euphoric
>> state where 
>> everybody think the market will keep going up forever. 
>> That part of the 
>> market; it exaggerate both the market high and the market
>> low due to 
>> psychological fear or euphoria.  The stock market is
>> bipolar, or what 
>> used to be called a manic depressive.  LOL
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>     
>>> Goodbye Recession!
>>>
>>> Hello Depression!
>>>
>>> ************************************************* 
>>> Barack Obama is not My President
>>>
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Larry Miller
>>>       
>>  wrote:
>>     
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> From: Larry Miller
>>>>         
>> 
>>     
>>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Insurancegate
>>>> To: "ProFox Email List"
>>>>         
>> 
>>     
>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:18 PM
>>>> Hey, if the lefties understood economics, they
>>>>         
>> wouldn't
>>     
>>>> be lefties.
>>>>
>>>> Larry Miller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Pete Theisen 
>>>> To: ProFox Email List 
>>>> Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:32:09 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> Subject: [OT] Insurancegate
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everybody!
>>>>
>>>> This will kill the recovery:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>> http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/12/get-ready-for-mandated-health-insurance/
>>     
>>>> -- 
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>> http://pete-theisen.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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