Gill,
I know all about that. You can't get Windows 2K operating system media
either even though you can get the activation keys. Thankfully the media is
not difficult to pick up cheaply. Damned politics.

Dave Crozier


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Gil Hale
Sent: 09 January 2009 16:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDN
>
> Last Paragraph in the Software Subscriptions section.
>

Good find, but there is one area the info is not entirely correct with the
statement, "An MSDN subscription also allows access to obsolete software
from Microsoft's past."  You can no longer get Office 2000, as that version
used Java (the M$ flavor of Java), and M$ pissed Sun off when M$ tried to
distribute their own flavor of Java for Windows only platforms.  A court
said M$ violated the Sun Java license, and M$ decided to remove Java from
all apps and offerings, thinking that would teach Sun a lesson.  Ooooops....

Well, M$ is who got taught the lesson, as a few years later they came
dragging their tail betwen their legs back to Sun and agreed to use Java
without trying to displace it via their own Enhanced For Windows Only
Version <g>.  Anyway, Office 2000 apparently has Java code in it somewhere,
but it is the M$ flavor, so M$ had to stop distributing it within MSDN
offerings and elsewhere.  I have the initial MSDN Office 2000 ISO and
license key codes, and can use it since it was M$ who violated the Sun
license, not me by using the app.  heh-heh...

Details, details, details...


Gil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Dave Crozier
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription
>
>
> Jim,
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDN
>
> Last Paragraph in the Software Subscriptions section.
>
> Dave Crozier
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 09 January 2009 15:34
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription
>
> Gil,
>
>   I haven't gone back and looked at the EULA, but if I remember correctly,
> all the MSDN subscriptions were cease and deist from use and uninstall at
> the end of the subscription period.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Gil Hale
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription
>
> Yes, you can use it beyond the 2 years.  But it is only during the 2 years
> you can use it for up to 5 developers, whereas the regular MDSN is a
> subscription per unshared developer.  Also regular MSDN does not allow for
> use of platforms/apps for production purposes, whereas with ISV there is
> some easing of that constraint for some products for the ISV period.  For
> both regular and ISV MSDN you can continue to use MSDN provided material
> beyond the subscription period, but there are simply no more
> updates, and no
> more access to the MSDN download site for the full array of
> offerings, past
> & present, nor the license key codes once the gate drops.
>
> Once in a while I need to light up an additional development
> machine, and my
> older MSDN license key codes work just fine.  I have MSDN going to back to
> 1998 with a few years skipped here and there.  It has been almost
> 14 months
> since my last update, and the sky has yet to fall on me.
>
> Gil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Allen Pollard
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:42 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription
> >
> >
> > One other thing. Membership of partner is not like the normal
> > MSDN in that
> > you cant use the software after the end of the year/ 2 years.
> MSDN normal
> > seems to allow it for the dev stuff.
> > Al
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Allen Pollard" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NF] Low priced MSDN Subscription
> >
> >
> > > For those that cant get this, I cant because I had it for 2
> > years, on the
> > > msdn site there was mention of a special 2 year subscription
> > deal but Ive
> > > not heard anything. It was supposed to start after new year
> > > Al
> > >
> >
> >
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