> 
> let's pretend I have my finger on the pulse of america's rather
> inefficent
> and bankrupt motor industry. ok, let's not! 

And how did that industry get bankrupt? Your answer would be incomplete
without an honest assessment of the economics of labor unionism from the
70's costing those companies unbelievable sums of money in the present day.
If you don't know that these liabilities are among the biggest deadweights
hanging around the necks of Detroit's once powerful auto manufacturers,
well, you're not as in-the-know as you think you are, all however many of
you you imagine that you are.

The very same unionism Obama is bringing back in vogue is what killed
Detroit. And he fired someone who understood the auto industry and replaced
him with somebody who admittedly knows nothing about cars.

How does that end, I wonder?

> but you use of 'extra
> constitutional' tells me all that i want to know about how you view
> this. it
> appears your supreme court doesnt agree with you on that.

We'll see about that.

It used to be -- and I know this because my wife is a naturalized American
citizen -- that if you had any ties to communist parties or causes, you
could not get a green card, without renouncing any such affiliation.

These days, it's apparently a resume enhancer for the new "Czar" post, as
Obama has taken it to new levels of absurdity.

I'll try again. Justify -- make the case for -- Van Jones.

What is it?

- Bob

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, 4 September 2009 12:40 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] He's Not Jimmy Carter
> 
> I guess I'll give this elenchus thing one more try, despite the odds.
> 
> A serious question for you, plural Geoff. I'm a dummy and can't figure
> it
> out.
> 
> Why should Van Jones be America's "Green Jobs" "Czar"? Why do you think
> Obama picked him? What is his role, exactly? Why is he a good person to
> lead
> American industry into the 21st century? What's the vision behind his
> extraconstitutional role?
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf Of Geoff
> > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:58 PM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] He's Not Jimmy Carter
> >
> > < I hope I'm wrong.
> >
> > - Bob>
> >
> > so do we, but unlike you, we live with self-evident truth that you
> are
> > wrong.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: Friday, 4 September 2009 12:22 PM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: [OT] He's Not Jimmy Carter
> >
> > http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/03/tk
> >
> > - - -
> > Conservatives are taking too much solace in the precipitous drop in
> > Barack
> > Obama's approval ratings, and too many of us are overconfident that
> his
> > administration is merely a replay of the hapless presidency of Jimmy
> > Carter
> > that was easily swept out in a landslide election.
> >
> > Today's situation is far different, far more conducive to our
> political
> > adversary's political power, than that which faced Carter. And Obama
> is
> > an
> > entirely different breed of cat. He's more ruthless, more tactically
> > savvy,
> > and has far more dangerous objectives. A drop in his poll ratings
> isn't
> > as
> > serious a setback for him as similar occurrences were for the peanut
> > farmer
> > from Plains.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > More important than all that, though, is that Obama's personal
> skills,
> > aims,
> > and training are like nothing we have ever seen before in the White
> > House.
> > Every other president before him has intended at most to achieve
> change
> > within the American political system. Obama wants to change the
> system
> > itself. He is a radical's radical, with an authoritarian impulse. His
> > Alinskyite training means that social unrest doesn't unnerve him; it
> > plays
> > right into his hands. Social unrest is both his modus operandi and
> his
> > mid-term goal. The more unrest, the greater the crisis; the greater
> the
> > crisis, the more excuse he has to use and consolidate central power
> in
> > order
> > to completely remake society.
> >
> > And unlike Carter or most other Democratic presidential nominees of
> the
> > past
> > 45 years, Obama has tremendous oratorical skills. Sure, Bill Clinton
> > could
> > please lots of audience members with small promises, but he did not
> > possess
> > half the ability to inspire people (however misguidedly) that Obama
> > does.
> > Obama has the talent to raise demagoguery to an art form.
> >
> > Already we see a cult of personality around Obama, one deliberately
> > encouraged by the Obama political operation. Already we see him push
> > for
> > centralizing, fascistic economic powers. Already we see him creating
> "a
> > civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
> > strong,
> > just as well-funded" as the regular military, complete with uniformed
> > youths
> > (and even senior citizens) formed into "cadres." And in order to make
> > AmeriCorps less answerable to the public, Obama fired the Inspector
> > General
> > trying to blow the whistle on nefarious AmeriCorps activities. Now he
> > is
> > using AmeriCorps and the National Endowment for the Arts to
> politically
> > agitate for his "recovery agenda."
> >
> > And that's not to mention the Big Brother-like data-mining and
> > reporting of
> > "casual conversations" to a White House website, or the creepy
> address
> > to
> > all the nation's school children -- or the continued public trashing,
> > by the
> > permanent Obama campaign known as Organizing For America, of ordinary
> > citizen protesters as "Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists."
> >
> > Obama also is politicizing the Census; giving contracts to ACORN;
> > letting a
> > recognized hate group like the New Black Panthers go free;
> undermining
> > the
> > CIA at every turn, radicalizing the Supreme Court; re-orienting the
> > civil
> > rights division of the Justice Department; appointing more "czars"
> than
> > anybody can keep track of and who, unlike Cabinet members, do not
> > answer to
> > Congress; resisting transparency on TARP bailout funds; refusing to
> > enforce
> > financial reporting requirements on union political organizers; and
> > doing
> > all sorts of other things designed, as are the items above, to
> > consolidate
> > power, tilt the deck, and rig the political rules in his favor for
> the
> > long
> > haul.
> >
> > In foreign affairs, his radicalism is even more apparent. He keeps
> > undermining allies while embracing enemies. He deliberately undercut
> > the
> > brave protesters in Iran. He stubbornly continues to punish Honduras
> > and its
> > citizens, via economic and travel sanctions, because Honduras
> actually
> > followed its own Constitution in removing a harshly anti-American
> > president
> > from office -- when he should have been rewarding Honduras for its
> > commitment to the rule of law. Yet while he punishes friendly
> > Hondurans, he
> > refuses to punish radical leftist Ecuadorean president Rafael Correa
> > when
> > Correa's government tries to shake down an American company for $27
> > billion.
> > It's all very bizarre. One wonders what exactly his agenda is. But
> it's
> > clearly something the likes of which we've never seen. Again, the
> > comparison
> > with Carter's foreign policy is telling. Carter's was full of woolly-
> > minded,
> > pie-in-the-sky idealism, but it didn't deliberately mollycoddle sworn
> > enemies. Obama's, on the other hand, portrays Obama to the world as
> if
> > Obama
> > himself is more admirable than the nation he supposedly represents --
> a
> > nation for which he continually apologizes. This attempt, so far
> quite
> > successful, to garner personal, worldwide glorification is another
> > gambit
> > for power. Again, it makes him nobody for domestic political
> > adversaries to
> > trifle with. It gives him tools never enjoyed by the Jimmy Carter who
> > was
> > burned in effigy by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his pals in 1979 and
> 1980.
> > - - -
> >
> > Obama is a threat to our lives, not just our way of life.
> >
> > Seems more people are starting to realize it. Too late.
> >
> > I hope I'm wrong.
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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