Not in the United States after Obama.

Business is now looking at

1.  Health Care tax
2.  Cap and Trade Carbon Tax
3.  People earning over $200,000 tax
 
No one is going to hire more people until they absolutely, positively have to.

--- On Sun, 3/21/10, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: geoff <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:36 PM
> You are wrong. Most businesses fire
> people sometime after an economic
> downturn occurs. They try and hold on for a while - sep
> their skilled
> workers and then when the recession is over they are slower
> to rehire as
> they are nervous and often in financial weakness.
> Unemployment is a trailing
> indicator of economic health.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf
> Of Virgil Bierschwale
> Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:17 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Impeach the President
> 
> oops...leading indicator...
> too early for a beer so no excuse other then I was in a
> rush to get the 
> charcoal on before it got cold....
> 
> On 3/21/2010 4:45 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> > actually, that is what the economists believe...
> > i've been studying it a lot for the last several
> years, and I believe 
> > it is now a lagging indicator, simply because we are
> not factoring in 
> > the number of jobs that have been sent offshore and
> that is skewing 
> > the numbers tremendously.
> >
> > For those in denial, all you need to do is follow all
> of the jobs that 
> > automatically get added to KAAW everyday from my
> indeed.com RSS feed..
> >
> > On 3/21/2010 4:41 PM, geoff wrote:
> >> I could point out that unemployment is a TRAILING
> indicator of economic
> >> health but it would be a waste of time for you so
> I hope others read it
> >> instead.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:[email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Michael Madigan
> >> Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 6:04 AM
> >> To: ProFox Email List
> >> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> >>
> >> Notice the unemployment rate AFTER Obama took
> office.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdi
> >>
> m=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate+chart
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 3/21/10, geoff<[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>> From: geoff<[email protected]>
> >>> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> >>> To: "'ProFox Email List'"<[email protected]>
> >>> Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:12 AM
> >>> Your 'fecal depth' was already above
> >>> your heads before he came in. But im
> >>> sure you dont accept or understand that.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:[email protected]
> >>> [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>> On Behalf
> >>> Of Michael Madigan
> >>> Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:33 PM
> >>> To: ProFox Email List
> >>> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> >>>
> >>> You're missing the point.  We elected an
> incompetent,
> >>> America-hating African
> >>> Muslim to be president.  No wonder we're
> in deep
> >>> sh*t.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sun, 3/21/10, geoff<[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>> From: geoff<[email protected]>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> >>>> To: "'ProFox Email List'"<[email protected]>
> >>>> Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:46 AM
> >>>> We do actually you uninformed twit.
> >>>> Aboriginals are free to stand and be
> >>>> elected and have in fact done so. None
> have yet
> >>>>        
> >>> become
> >>>      
> >>>> prime minister but
> >>>> have achieved cabinet rank. They make up
> less than 2%
> >>>>        
> >>> of
> >>>      
> >>>> the population.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:[email protected]
> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>>> On Behalf
> >>>> Of Michael Madigan
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 3:43 PM
> >>>> To: ProFox Email List
> >>>> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the President
> >>>>
> >>>> That's because you don't elect Aborigines
> to run your
> >>>> country.
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Sat, 3/20/10, geoff<[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>> From: geoff<[email protected]>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [OT] Impeach the
> President
> >>>>> To: "'ProFox Email List'"<[email protected]>
> >>>>> Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:00
> PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually, you need a lot more than
> that. Send
> >>>>>          
> >>> your
> >>>      
> >>>> congress
> >>>>        
> >>>>> down to
> >>>>> Australia and we can educate them in
> how its done
> >>>>>          
> >>> over
> >>>      
> >>>> a
> >>>>        
> >>>>> BBQ and a game of
> >>>>> cricket. Remember that line... BEST
> ECONOMY IN
> >>>>>          
> >>> THE
> >>>      
> >>>> WORLD.
> >>>>        
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From:[email protected]
> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>>>> On Behalf
> >>>>> Of Publius Maximus
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:29 PM
> >>>>> To: ProFox Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Impeach the
> President
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM,
> geoff<[email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> || They had the option to go out
> of
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> business,||
> >>>      
> >>>>>> And take 3 million jobs with them.
> There
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> are
> >>>      
> >>>> many
> >>>>        
> >>>>> reasons you are not
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> President. That is one of them
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>>> We don't need self-styled omnipotent,
> omniscient
> >>>>> presidents, any more
> >>>>> than we need "community organizers"
> and other
> >>>>>          
> >>>> professional
> >>>>        
> >>>>> mendicants... We need entrepreneurs
> and
> >>>>>          
> >>> capitalists
> >>>      
> >>>> who
> >>>>        
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>> economics and a population that
> understands
> >>>>>          
> >>> thrift,
> >>>      
> >>>> savings
> >>>>        
> >>>>> and buying
> >>>>> real goods and services with real
> hard-earned
> >>>>>          
> >>> cash.
> >>>      
> >>>>> - Publius
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From:[email protected]
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>>>> On Behalf
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> Of Publius Maximus
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:18
> PM
> >>>>>> To: ProFox Email List
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Impeach the
> President
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM,
> geoff
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> <[email protected]>
> >>>      
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> You just don't get it do you??
> Ford had
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> a
> >>>      
> >>>> third
> >>>>        
> >>>>> choice that the others
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> didn't have - 'trading out of
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> difficulties'.
> >>>      
> >>>> The
> >>>>        
> >>>>> other two were bankrupt
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>>>>> you CANT trade out of that.
> For
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> starters, it
> >>>      
> >>>> is
> >>>>        
> >>>>> illegal.
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> They had the option to go out of
> business,
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> like
> >>>      
> >>>> the
> >>>>        
> >>>>> rest of us who
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> find ourselves, for whatever
> reason, on the
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> bad
> >>>      
> >>>> end of
> >>>>        
> >>>>> a venture to
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> build a business. Instead, they
> raped the
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>> taxpayers
> >>>>        
> >>>>> (most of whom
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> don't even exist yet) and put a
> man-child
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>> who
> >>>      
> >>>> never
> >>>>        
> >>>>> ran a business in
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> his entire life in charge of an
> industry.
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>> Personally,
> >>>>        
> >>>>> I'm never buying
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>> a GM vehicle again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Publius
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
>   
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From:[email protected]
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> Of Publius Maximus
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010
> 9:46 AM
> >>>>>>> To: ProFox Email List
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Impeach the
> President
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:11
> PM, Virgil
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>>> Bierschwale<[email protected]>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not seeing
> what
> >>>>>>>>       
>         
> >>> you're
> >>>      
> >>>> seeing
> >>>>        
> >>>>> as their last quarterly
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>>> wasnt too bad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:F&fstype=ii
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Their annual shows the
> first profit
> >>>>>>>>       
>         
> >>> in a
> >>>      
> >>>> long
> >>>>        
> >>>>> time
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>>> Not too shabby from where
> I'm
> >>>>>>>>       
>         
> >>> sitting..
> >>>      
> >>>>>>> Well, and the point was that
> the
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> supposed
> >>>      
> >>>> choice
> >>>>        
> >>>>> between
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> nationalization and bankruptcy
> is a
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> false
> >>>      
> >>>>> dichotomy. Ford is surviving
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> without handing over control
> to the
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>> government.
> >>>>        
> >>>>>>> - Publius
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "It ought never to be
> forgotten, that a
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> firm
> >>>      
> >>>> union
> >>>>        
> >>>>> of this country,
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> under an efficient government,
> will
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> probably
> >>>      
> >>>> be an
> >>>>        
> >>>>> increasing object
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> of jealousy to more than one
> nation of
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>> Europe; and
> >>>>        
> >>>>> that enterprises to
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> subvert it will sometimes
> originate in
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> the
> >>>      
> >>>>> intrigues of foreign
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> powers, and will seldom fail
> to be
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> patronized
> >>>      
> >>>> and
> >>>>        
> >>>>> abetted by some of
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> them. Its preservation,
> therefore ought
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> in no
> >>>      
> >>>> case
> >>>>        
> >>>>> that can be
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> avoided, to be committed to
> the
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> guardianship
> >>>      
> >>>> of
> >>>>        
> >>>>> any but those whose
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> situation will uniformly beget
> an
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>> immediate
> >>>      
> >>>>> interest in the faithful
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>>> and vigilant performance of
> the trust."
> >>>>>>>       
>       
> >>>>> [Federalist Papers #59]
> >>>[excessive quoting removed by server]

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