On 08/11/10 04:25, Publius Maximus wrote: > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:38 AM, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You just asked one of the central questions of the Reformation - and got it >> wrong. Salvation is by faith alone - not of works (eph 2: 8,9). And it >> really IS that clear. >> > True: salvation is by faith alone, and grace is sufficient. Works are, > however, the outward manifestation of that salvation, rooted in the > case of a truly saved person in love, such that if there are none, or > a man's works contradict his faith, he needs to check his faith. And > by logical extension, his salvation. > > Works don't save you, but a man who does no good works, or does them > out of anything but love (e.g., some people do good works out of fear > of damnation), is probably not saved, because he has not really > accepted and internalized that grace. > > Or did you skip over the parts that say, e.g., "Faith without works is > dead" (James 2:20) and "If a man says he loves God, but hates his > brother, the same is a liar, and there is no truth in him" (1 John > 4:20)? >
Wowowowow! Stop there Silver! Don't go around here saying you must love your brother to be able to love god. You'll get most of us into trouble. There are some christian soldiers around here that are lacking in that department. (BTW, does condoning torture, on whatever grounds, count as not loving your brother?) (may some people here say that considering they are white their brother is not black?) (may you consider someone out of the family (i.e. not your brother) because he is of a different religion?) _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
