I've give you four 1. Thousands of Canadians come to border towns and cities to get basic health care, paying by cash or credit card and leaving their Canadian Health care card at home.
2. Natassia Richardson died because there are no head trauma facilities anywhere in Quebec 3. Foreign dignitaries and royalty come here to get the finest care instead of dying in their own hospitals. 4. Foreign doctors come here to practice where they can make a good living in a good medical environment. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > From: geoff <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 2:44 AM > And STILL you entire argument rests > on one incident. The paucity of your argument is still > amazing! > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Michael Madigan > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 6:11 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > She initially declined treatment, then hours later called > the paramedics again. Then there was no trauma > facility in the area so they flew her from Montreal to NYC > and she died in NYC. Why NYC? Because > there wasn't a head trauma center in Quebec. > > > > --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Michael Oke, II <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: Michael Oke, II <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:47 AM > > Hate to tell you this Mike but you > > are incorrect in this. She declined > > treatment, feeling that there was nothing to be > worried > > about. > > > > This is not unusual, a human is in no position to > judge > > whether a cranial > > blow was sufficient to cause potentially life > threatening > > damage. > > > > ::michael > > On Nov 10, 2010 10:31 PM, "Michael Madigan" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Do you program with that illogical brain? She > died > > because there are no > > specialty head trauma centers anywhere near Montreal. > That > > has nothing to do > > with rich or poor, it has to do with non-existent. > > > > > > If a poor person is involved in an emergency > head > > trauma in the United > > States, he is whisked away via helicopter to the > nearest > > trauma center. > > > > > > In Canada, you die. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: geoff <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal > challenges to > > Health Bill > > >> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > > >> Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:23 AM > > >> You don’t really want to start a > > >> list of who died in USA due to second-rate > > >> health care! But the list wont include famous > or > > rich > > >> people so presumably > > >> you wont care or even acknowledge it. > > >> > > >> Geoff Flight > > >> General Manager > > >> > > >> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty > Ltd > > >> 58 Norrie Ave > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] > > >> [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> On Behalf > > >> Of Michael Madigan > > >> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:50 PM > > >> To: ProFox Email List > > >> Subject: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal > challenges to > > Health > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> Whole industries have been built up on the > border > > to > > >> accommodate Canadians > > >> coming over the border, fleeing from > second-rate > > health > > >> care. Actress > > >> Natassia Richardson died because the health > care > > is second > > >> rate in Canada. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > From: geoff <[email protected]> > > >> > Subject: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal > > challenges to > > >> Health Bill > > >> > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > > >> > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 12:34 > AM > > >> > You keep telling yourself that. Im > > >> > sure you believe it because no one else > > >> > does especially the poor. > > >> > > > >> > Geoff Flight > > >> > General Manager > > >> > > > >> > Sustainable Resources Industry Training > Pty > > Ltd > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: [email protected] > > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > On Behalf > > >> > Of Michael Madigan > > >> > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:02 > PM > > >> > To: ProFox Email List > > >> > Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Serious legal > > challenges to > > >> Health > > >> > Bill > > >> > > > >> > People are flooding over from Canada to > get > > basic > > >> care > > >> > because they LOVE the > > >> > Canadian Health Care system. LOL > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Michael Oke, II > <[email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > From: Michael Oke, II <[email protected]> > > >> > > Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Serious > legal > > challenges > > >> to > > >> > Health Bill > > >> > > To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]> > > >> > > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, > 12:18 > > AM > > >> > > Please explain, if you can, how > > >> > > health care is a basic right? > > >> > > > > >> > > And there is not nearly the scorn > for > > the US > > >> health > > >> > care > > >> > > system as you > > >> > > imagine or hope that there is. > > >> > > > > >> > > ::michael > > >> > > On Nov 10, 2010 9:11 PM, "geoff" > <[email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: [email protected] > > >> > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > > On Behalf > > >> > > > Of Nicholas Geti > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 November > 2010 > > 3:23 PM > > >> > > > To: ProFox Email List > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [OT] Serious > legal > > challenges > > >> to > > >> > Health > > >> > > Bill > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Who cares about what the rest > of > > the world > > >> > thinks. > > >> > > They know nothing about > > >> > > > > >> > > > the United States on any topic > just > > as I > > >> know > > >> > nothing > > >> > > about Australia > > >> > > except > > >> > > > > > >> > > > what I read in a few > paragraphs on > > some > > >> Internet > > >> > news > > >> > > article a few times > > >> > > a > > >> > > > year. Nor do I care. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE > REST OF > > THE WORLD > > >> AND > > >> > THAT > > >> > > IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL > > >> > > > AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > There are a few who rant and > rave > > about > > >> > conditions in > > >> > > the U.S. but don't > > >> > > > live here and have no clue. I > say > > they are > > >> green > > >> > with > > >> > > envy and have some > > >> > > > kind of axe to grind about > their > > own > > >> condition. I > > >> > am > > >> > > happy with our health > > >> > > > > >> > > > system. I have top-notch > doctors > > who take > > >> care of > > >> > me > > >> > > just fine, thank you. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > AS IF TO PROVE MY POINT. ** > YOU ** > > have > > >> good > > >> > doctors. > > >> > > I know that > > >> > > indulgent > > >> > > > self-interest is a human > condition, > > but do > > >> you > > >> > have to > > >> > > refine it so well? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It always amazes me how people > can > > blow off > > >> how > > >> > bad it > > >> > > is here and yet > > >> > > there > > >> > > > > > >> > > > are 10 million illegals here > who > > are taken > > >> care > > >> > of for > > >> > > free and more keep > > >> > > > coming every day. I have > mentioned > > in the > > >> past > > >> > how > > >> > > generous the U.S. has > > >> > > > been over the years to all > the > > world but > > >> you > > >> > just > > >> > > ignore it and pick out > > >> > > > some pathetic comments by > others > > who are > > >> far > > >> > from > > >> > > experts. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT > TO > > YOU? The > > >> > illegals > > >> > > aren't coming from > > >> > > > Canada but from mexico. It > would > > be > > >> difficult to > > >> > find > > >> > > a more violent and > > >> > > > more disgusting place to live > than > > there. We > > >> have > > >> > a > > >> > > lot of illegals trying > > >> > > > to get here too. Its not like > you > > are the > > >> only > > >> > ones > > >> > > with that problem. And > > >> > > > we acknowledge your country's > > generosity > > >> many > > >> > times, > > >> > > but it wears a bit > > >> > > thin > > >> > > > after a while when you nearly > take > > the world > > >> into > > >> > a > > >> > > depression because of > > >> > > > your own greed and staggering > > fiscal > > >> > incompentence. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > We have not failed. Our stock > > market is > > >> booming > > >> > and > > >> > > soon will translate > > >> > > into > > >> > > > > > >> > > > jobs. I am taking down $40,000 > per > > month in > > >> the > > >> > stock > > >> > > market so I cannot > > >> > > > complain. We have discussed > at > > length what > > >> caused > > >> > our > > >> > > depression so I will > > >> > > > > >> > > > not repeat it here. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > WELL IT WOUDL SEEM THAT you > are the > > only > > >> > commentator > > >> > > talking about your > > >> > > > booming economy. Your stock > market > > is > > >> merely > > >> > > recovering lost ground. And > > >> > > > again as if to prove the > point > > **YOU** are > > >> doing > > >> > well > > >> > > so bugger the rest. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > > >> > > > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > <[email protected]> > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, > 2010 > > 9:29 PM > > >> > > > Subject: RE: [OT] Serious > legal > > challenges > > >> to > > >> > Health > > >> > > Bill > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Well it actually IS on > the > > subject since > > >> the > > >> > > subject was health care. You > > >> > > >> would be amazed (and > probably > > surprised) > > >> at > > >> > the > > >> > > level of scorn and > > >> > > mocking > > >> > > >> that is directed at the > > American health > > >> > system > > >> > > from virtually anywhere in > > >> > > >> the first world. Health > care is > > a basic > > >> > right > > >> > > given to all, well at least > > >> > > > > >> > > >> in > > >> > > >> MOST first-world countries > it > > is. And > > >> many > > >> > posters > > >> > > have in previous > > >> > > >> threads > > >> > > >> made significant comment > on > > those who > > >> 'dont > > >> > > deserve' health care. You > > >> > > have > > >> > > >> built an economy based on > some > > fine > > >> > principles, > > >> > > but the flip side of that > > >> > > >> has brought you near > depression > > and a > > >> level > > >> > of > > >> > > debt and financial > > >> > > disaster > > >> > > >> that is unparalleled. > Good > > lessons there > > >> to > > >> > be > > >> > > learned and apparently > > >> > > very > > >> > > >> few of them have been. It > seems > > a > > >> uniquely > > >> > > American attitude to strive > > >> > > for > > >> > > >> the best - for me and > mine. It > > works - > > >> and > > >> > works > > >> > > well - until you fail. > > >> > > >> And > > >> > > >> then you end up with no > > welfare, no > > >> food, no > > >> > > health care and no hope. And > > >> > > >> all of this is brought to > you > > by the > > >> nation > > >> > with > > >> > > more billionaires than > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> rest of the planet > combined. > > Your > > >> health > > >> > debate is > > >> > > actually about FAR > > >> > > MORE > > >> > > >> than health. It is a > litmus > > test on > > >> your > > >> > national > > >> > > character. It describes > > >> > > >> who you are and what your > true > > national > > >> > priorities > > >> > > are. And apparently > > >> > > the > > >> > > >> poor aren't one of them. > By > > supporting > > >> your > > >> > poor - > > >> > > undeserving tho they > > >> > > >> may > > >> > > >> be - in real and genuine > ways > > you may > > >> > discover a > > >> > > hidden resource in your > > >> > > >> nation: compassion. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Here's hoping. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Geoff Flight > > >> > > >> General Manager > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sustainable Resources > Industry > > Training > > >> Pty > > >> > Ltd > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original > Message----- > > >> > > >> From: [email protected] > > >> > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > > On > > >> > > Behalf > > >> > > >> Of Nicholas Geti > > >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, 11 > November > > 2010 12:47 > > >> PM > > >> > > >> To: ProFox Email List > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious > > legal > > >> challenges > > >> > to > > >> > > Health Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Well, you certainly have > made a > > leap > > >> here > > >> > and > > >> > > changed the subject. There > > >> > > >> is > > >> > > >> nothing about "deserving > it" in > > any of > > >> the > > >> > debate. > > >> > > It is about the waste > > >> > > >> involved and the 1000s of > pages > > of rules > > >> that > > >> > no > > >> > > one understands. Also > > >> > > >> about > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> illegals coming in the > U.S. to > > get free > > >> care > > >> > and > > >> > > busting the budgets of > > >> > > >> many > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> cities. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message > ----- > > >> > > >> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> To: "'ProFox Email List'" > > <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November > 10, > > 2010 5:15 > > >> PM > > >> > > >> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious > > legal > > >> challenges > > >> > to > > >> > > Health Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> It is quite amusing > for us > > out here > > >> > watching > > >> > > the so-called 'land of the > > >> > > >>> free' and 'bastion of > > democracy' > > >> show > > >> > that its > > >> > > 'light on the hill' is > > >> > > >>> slowly > > >> > > >>> going out. The > essential > > argument > > >> against > > >> > the > > >> > > health reforms is that > > >> > > >>> people > > >> > > >>> who 'don't deserve it' > will > > get it. > > >> > Don't > > >> > > deserve health care? There is > > >> > > a > > >> > > >>> reason your country > is > > going down > > >> the > > >> > toilet. > > >> > > It has been said that the > > >> > > >>> true > > >> > > >>> test of the character > of a > > nation is > > >> how > > >> > it > > >> > > treats its poor and most > > >> > > >>> vulnerable. The USA is > the > > richest > > >> nation > > >> > on > > >> > > the planet yet has the > > >> > > >>> highest > > >> > > >>> rate of poverty > outside the > > 3rd > > >> world. > > >> > The > > >> > > test of character is one that > > >> > > >>> you > > >> > > >>> have failed. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> And just for the > record... > > we have > > >> > universal > > >> > > health care and have mostly > > >> > > >>> budget surpluses and > little > > to no > > >> govt > > >> > debt. > > >> > > It CAN be done - but only > > >> > > by > > >> > > >>> people with the drive > and > > compassion > > >> to > > >> > see it > > >> > > done. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Geoff Flight > > >> > > >>> General Manager > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Sustainable Resources > > Industry > > >> Training > > >> > Pty > > >> > > Ltd > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> -----Original > Message----- > > >> > > >>> From: [email protected] > > >> > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > > On > > >> > > >>> Behalf > > >> > > >>> Of Nicholas Geti > > >> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, 11 > November > > 2010 > > >> 4:08 AM > > >> > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >> > > >>> Subject: [OT] Serious > > legal > > >> challenges > > >> > to > > >> > > Health Bill > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> A taxpayer voting for > a > > Democrat is > > >> like > > >> > a > > >> > > chicken voting for Col. > > >> > > >>> Sanders. > > >> > > >>> Democrats are trying > to say > > that > > >> Supreme > > >> > Court > > >> > > precedence permits > > >> > > forcing > > >> > > >>> taxpayers to buy > something > > they > > >> don't > > >> > want. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > http://visiontoamerica.org/story/legal-challenge-could-derail-health-care-la > > >> > > >>> w.html > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> --- StripMime Report > -- > > processed > > >> MIME > > >> > parts > > >> > > --- > > >> > > >>> multipart/alter[excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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