Locale labs as well the OOP labs explain locales very well. Before locales names and objects tended to be a challenge to keep separated.
Not the least names of standard utilities. Locale localized groups of utils from each other and your stuff. - Björn Helgason gsm:6985532 skype:gosiminn On 1.3.2014 06:28, "Yike Lu" <yikelu.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey bill, that worked. I don't know why it broke the first time. I'm > running Mac OSX Mavericks. > > Steven: again the implementation is fine, just disorienting for a new user. > If you've been developing for a while, ns::x and ns.x have pretty well > accepted meanings. > > It's practically mandatory to read up on locales if you want to have any > chance of deciphering other people's source code, but it's like chapter 26 > in the guide I was reading. > > And the label for the concept itself is also not standard parlance. Nouns > and verbs... whatever, those labels are intuitive and descriptive enough. > Same with conjunctions and adverbs. And they fit the way the language was > designed. > > But "locale"... why use that label? It's different for the sake of being > different. The connotation is "the language is completely different over > here", or for me it was "this is a different time zone". > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:16 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > try type in jconsole, > > > > install'qtide' > > > > to see if it will work, else please post the detail of your > > problem in J General forum for qtide installtion related matter. > > Thanks. > > > > Пт, 28 фев 2014, Yike Lu писал(а): > > > Hey everybody, I'm new to the forum. I got involved with vector > languages > > > when I had to learn q for a job. I have since moved on from that job > and > > > lost q, so I've been looking for a suitable replacement ever since. I > > tried > > > J here and there, but the things I learned never really stuck. I went > to > > > one or two meet ups at the NYJUG (met Devon there). My programming > > > background includes C++, R, q, python, and a sprinkling of Scheme. > > > > > > I decided to pick up learning J again. I have some feedback on the > first > > > few hours that I went through, hopefully it's useful information and > > others > > > have the same problems: > > > > > > 1. I wanted to tackle a problem I already had, or already have solved. > > Data > > > being what it is, that usually means a pre-existing data set, often in > > CSV > > > format. > > > 2. I found the csv package, quite nice. > > > 3. For some reason my Qt IDE broke. So I had to use jconsole and > pacman. > > > This took me longer than expected to find. Until then, I was just > praying > > > the IDE would come back so I could use the package manager. > > > 4. JDB specifically -- no mention of the JMF dependency? Bad call. I > was > > > confused for 20 minutes. > > > 5. load operator syntax and path -- where is this documented? I figured > > out > > > the JHOME/addons directory is part of it. Can I add to or change it the > > > path? > > > 6. How to load a script? load confused me because the syntax suggested > it > > > loads the whole directory (although I later found out this wasn't the > > > case). I eventually found > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/learning/26.htm > > > 7. Locales? A lot of the packages use more advanced features like OOP > and > > > locales, and it's very disorienting at first, especially with the non > > > standard Name__Locale syntax. > > > > > > At the end of the day, my use case and learning approach can be summed > up > > > as follows: > > > * I have a pre existing problem that I have solved. I would like to be > > able > > > to use J to solve it, potentially more quickly or more elegantly. > > > * In theory, this should require a simple mapping of basic concepts > from > > > one language to another, plus a generous helping of library functions. > > > * How do I do it in J? Take a direct, focused approach to getting the > > > basics handled (data loading and selection for example). This gets me > to > > a > > > stable point of reference. > > > * What can I do next in J? This is more exploratory learning. I have > the > > > data loaded and I know how to do basic operations. Build on this > > knowledge. > > > > > > The wiki documentation so far makes this unnecessarily painful. > Remember > > we > > > don't have a meaningful StackOverflow presence or easily Google-able > > > answers. There's a million tutorials on how to do basic array > > > manipulations, and they're all front and center. The OO, script > loading, > > > locales seemed to be buried further back. > > > > > > Also, my general feeling reading through the docs is that they're > pretty > > > scattered on those topics. > > > > > > I've started a github repo where I'm keeping some utilities I'm > > developing > > > around table manipulation: https://github.com/yikelu/j_table > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > -- > > regards, > > ==================================================== > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --armor --export 4434BAB3 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
