The statement "Explicit verbs can take adverbs and conjunctions as arguments
because I've modified the language to allow explicit verbs to take adverbs and
conjunctions as arguments" would also be trivial. Mr. Quintana is not given to
making trivial statements (though I would not be surprised if his extensions
made it /easier/ to pass non-nouns to verbs).
No, I expect Pepe's uncovered another door hidden 'round back (which, by
implication, means he found it before Roger did ;).
But I'll be excited (/scared) whether this is possible in the official J
interpreter or his extended version. Language abuse is one of my kinks.
-Dan
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Point taken.
>
> Might be in his modified J interpreter though.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Raul
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dan Bron <j...@bron.us> wrote:
>>
>> A verb's "argument" refers to the values used to invoke it. Therefore
>> names fixed in its definition are not arguments (excepting y and x which
>> are defined to refer to its argument(s)).
>>
>> Yes, it is possible to invoke verbs with strings or other nouns which
>> directly or indirectly name non-nouns (e.g. quoted global names, quote J
>> code, atomic representations as boxed nouns, etc), but I explicitly
>> excluded that approach in my question because it is trivial and
>> uninteresting ("Short of passing in strings and evoking them...").
>>
>> This is Pepe we're talking about here. He's got something more wicked up
>> his sleeve ("explicit verbs **even if they should not** can take any kind
>> words as arguments").
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Explicit verbs can refer to things by name.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Dan Bron <j...@bron.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know you've mentioned this capability before - can you refresh my
>> memory?
>>>>
>>>> Short of passing in strings and evoking them, how would you get an
>>>> explicit verb to "see" an adverb (or conjunction) as an argument? What
>> name
>>>> does it get assigned to (if it is possible for y and/or x to not have
>>>> nameclass noun, that's scary - in a thrilling way).
>>>>
>>>> -Dan
>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Jose Mario Quintana <
>>>>> jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Orthodox verbs, explicit verbs in particular, can only take nouns and
>>>>> produce nouns; in contrast, tacit wicked verbs can take words and
>>>>> "
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, explicit verbs (even if they should not) can take any kind of
>>>>> words as arguments when the sentences in the verb's body are
>>>> syntactically
>>>>> correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Jose Mario Quintana <
>>>>> jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Orthodox verbs, explicit verbs in particular, can only take nouns and
>>>>>> produce nouns; in contrast, tacit wicked verbs can take words and
>>>> produce
>>>>>> words of any kind (use them at your own risk). For example,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9!:14''
>>>>>> j701/2011-01-10/11:25
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o=. @:
>>>>>> ar=. 5!:1@<
>>>>>> Cloak=. (0:`)(,^:)
>>>>>> Cloak=. (ar'Cloak')Cloak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'evoke tie'=. < o Cloak "0 o ;: '`: `'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g2v=. evoke&6 o tie f.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +/`'' g2v %`#
>>>>>> +/ % #
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Pascal Jasmin <
>> godspiral2...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +/`'' ( 4 : 'x ` y') %`#
>>>>>>> ┌───────┬─┬─┐
>>>>>>> │┌─┬───┐│%│#│
>>>>>>> ││/│┌─┐││ │ │
>>>>>>> ││ ││+│││ │ │
>>>>>>> ││ │└─┘││ │ │
>>>>>>> │└─┴───┘│ │ │
>>>>>>> └───────┴─┴─┘
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to be able to define a single function (verb) that
>>>> produces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (+/`'' ( 4 : 'x ` y') %`#)`:6
>>>>>>> +/ % #
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is that possible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my failed attempt:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> g2v =: 1 : ('( u y) `:6' ;':';'(x u y) `:6 ')
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
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