That is a bit tricky to explain. At one level of abstraction: we are both using gmail, and I sent a copy of that message both to you and not to the list.
Gmail [currently] forces a proportional-spaced font on users (though you can override this at the browser level - details depend on which browser you are using and change over the years). In gmail, I composed in "plain text" mode and then set the font for the J content to "Courier New". To see a lower level of abstraction, you can use the "Show Original" menu option (currently, in gmail, the small triangle to the right of the "Reply" button opens a dropdown menu with this option). There, if we are talking about the same message), you probably be able to find something like: (except with more stuff after the MIME-Version line and before that Received line). MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.35.211 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 19:26:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 22:26:10 -0500 Delivered-To: rauldmil...@gmail.com Message-ID: <CAD2jOU9-Ub5i9MhHdXNJcNmXrQ=j30jouanhjj+hmbgbh0k...@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OFFLIST] Re: [Jprogramming] This surprised me. From: Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> To: Devon McCormick <devon...@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603e304551c905070006d4 The multipart/alternative bit means that multiple copies of the message body got sent in the same message. In this case you should be able to find both a plain text copy and an html copy. Also the string or characters '047d7b603e304551c905070006d4' will appear between the boundaries of these copies I expect that you were viewing the html copy in gmail, and that if I had sent this message to the list that the plaintext copy would have been the only copy to get through. Quite often, of course, the "show original" approach is completely unreadable (for example when I look at the original of the message you sent me, as I received it from the list, I see a header that says Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 and the body is unreadable). Here's an except (bottom of the message headers, top of the message body), showing what I got from this mailing list: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com Sender: programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com UmF1bCAtCgppbiB5b3VyIG1lc3NhZ2Ugb2YgMTA6MjYgeWVzdGVyZGF5LCBob3cgZGlkIHlvdSBh Y2NvbXBsaXNoIHRoZSBkaXNwbGF5IHRoYXQKbG9va2VkIGNvcnJlY3QgKHRoZSBsYXR0ZXIgb25l KT8KClRoYW5rcywKCkRldm9uCgpPbiBUdWUsIE5vdiA0LCAyMDE0IGF0IDM6NDYgQU0sIGJpbGwg bGFtIDxiYmlsbC5sYW1AZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKCj4gQ2VydGFpbmx5IHlvdSBhcmUgY29y cmVjdC4gTXkgdXNlIG9mIHRoZSB0ZXJtIGFzY2lpIHdhcyB3aXRoIHJlbGF0aXZlIHRvCj4gaHRt bC4KPgo+ICogaHR0cDovL2VuLndpa2lwZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9BU0NJSV9SaWJib25fQ2FtcGFp Z24KPgo+INCS0YIsIDA0INC90L7RjyAyMDE0LCBSYXVsIE1pbGxlciDQvdCw0L/QuNGB0LDQuyjQ sCk6Cj4gPiBJIGd1ZXNzIG15IHBvaW50IHdvdWxkIGJlIGJldHRlciBleHByZXNzZWQgYnkgcG9p For that case, there's a "Message text garbled?" option on that drop-down menu that shows the decoded message as plaintext in a fixed-width font and a note at the top for people reading messages which are still unreadable. (But of course you have to come back to the proportional spaced version in the gmail window to reply - you cannot interact with that plaintext version.) I hope this helps. -- Raul On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Devon McCormick <devon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Raul - > > in your message of 10:26 yesterday, how did you accomplish the display that > looked correct (the latter one)? > > Thanks, > > Devon > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:46 AM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Certainly you are correct. My use of the term ascii was with relative to >> html. >> >> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_Ribbon_Campaign >> >> Вт, 04 ноя 2014, Raul Miller написал(а): >> > I guess my point would be better expressed by pointing out that the >> message >> > headers claim that the message is encoded as utf-8 (as opposed to ascii >> or >> > one of the many other character encodings which include ascii as a >> subset). >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > -- >> > Raul >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 11:25 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > In that case, even after decoding base64, the message is still >> > > plain text, not html formated. >> > > >> > > Usually, email client sent a plain text version along with html >> > > format, so there are 2 attachments, but J formum does not accept >> > > the html version. >> > > >> > > Пн, 03 ноя 2014, Raul Miller написал(а): >> > > > That is not exactly true. >> > > > >> > > > When I inspect the raw messages I am receiving I'll see stuff like >> base64 >> > > > encoded content (as opposed to ascii text). >> > > > >> > > > It might be that what is being sent is meant to represent plain ascii >> > > text >> > > > but that's somebody's abstraction as opposed to the actual >> > > implementation. >> > > > >> > > > I can send you examples if you like. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Raul >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > J forum rejects html formated emails, only ascii text is >> > > > > displayed. All font or other styles settings will not be >> > > > > effective. The font used is determined by receipient's email >> client. >> > > > > On my android gmail app, it uses proportional font and I cannot >> > > > > find any options to change this setting so that both ascii and >> > > > > graphic box characters do not align. Same on my iphone. >> > > > > >> > > > > Пн, 03 ноя 2014, Devon McCormick написал(а): >> > > > > > Who is able to see the below looking like it ought to (evenly >> > > > > ASCII-boxed, >> > > > > > then line-drawing boxed)? >> > > > > > I highlighted this in Gmail and set the font to Courier New. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ('hi';'ho'),('off';'to'),:'work';'we';'go' >> > > > > > +----+--+--+ >> > > > > > |hi |ho| | >> > > > > > +----+--+--+ >> > > > > > |off |to| | >> > > > > > +----+--+--+ >> > > > > > |work|we|go| >> > > > > > +----+--+--+ >> > > > > > 9!:7]a.{~16+i.11 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ('hi';'ho'),('off';'to'),:'work';'we';'go' >> > > > > > ┌────┬──┬──┐ >> > > > > > │hi │ho│ │ >> > > > > > ├────┼──┼──┤ >> > > > > > │off │to│ │ >> > > > > > ├────┼──┼──┤ >> > > > > > │work│we│go│ >> > > > > > └────┴──┴──┘ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Devon McCormick < >> devon...@gmail.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Except that this forum drops images attached to e-mails. >> However, >> > > it's >> > > > > > > easy enough to create a page on the J wiki and display anything >> > > there. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Skip Cave < >> > > s...@caveconsulting.com> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Linda, >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> If you are using Windows, there is a "Snipping Tool" in >> Windows >> > > that >> > > > > can >> > > > > > >> take a screenshot of any area on the screen. Click the Start >> > > button, >> > > > > and >> > > > > > >> search for "Snipping". >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Bring up J, and execute your functions so they display the >> output >> > > in >> > > > > the J >> > > > > > >> window. Then start the snip tool. Select "Rectangular Snip" >> from >> > > the >> > > > > "New" >> > > > > > >> menu, and then draw a box around the the output in the J >> window >> > > that >> > > > > you >> > > > > > >> want to show. Release the mouse and the snipped image will >> appear >> > > in >> > > > > a new >> > > > > > >> window. Save the image as a .png file. Then you can attach the >> > > .png >> > > > > to any >> > > > > > >> email. This also works well for saving plot images. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Skip >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Skip Cave >> > > > > > >> Cave Consulting LLC >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:00 AM, chris burke < >> cbu...@jsoftware.com >> > > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > I'm still trying to find how to get "html" or "rich text" >> > > like I >> > > > > used >> > > > > > >> in >> > > > > > >> > an old outlook. This is my rather ugly new version. >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > There is no way to ensure that boxed output appears >> correctly in >> > > > > emails. >> > > > > > >> > Note that it may show correctly in your email program, but >> not >> > > in >> > > > > other >> > > > > > >> > email programs. >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > It is best to not rely on boxed output. Instead, show >> minimal >> > > > > output as >> > > > > > >> in >> > > > > > >> > Raul's message, or no output at all, or use the wiki or some >> > > other >> > > > > web >> > > > > > >> page >> > > > > > >> > to show the full output. >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Linda Alvord < >> > > > > lindaalv...@verizon.net> >> > > > > > >> > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > Raul, I'm still trying to find how to get "html" or >> "rich >> > > text" >> > > > > > >> like I >> > > > > > >> > > used in an old outlook. This is my rather ugly new >> version. >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > rrN=:'x+y x-y x<.y x>.y' >> > > > > > >> > > M=:'+ - <. >.' >> > > > > > >> > > dyads=: 13 :' ,. <"1 ''x'',"1(>;:y),"1 ''y''' >> > > > > > >> > > (dyads M) >> > > > > > >> > > ┌────┐ >> > > > > > >> > > │x+ y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x- y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x<.y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x>.y│ >> > > > > > >> > > └────┘ >> > > > > > >> > > s=: [: ,. [: <;._1 ' ' , ] >> > > > > > >> > > s N >> > > > > > >> > > ┌───┬───┬────┬────┐ >> > > > > > >> > > │x+y│x-y│x<.y│x>.y│ >> > > > > > >> > > └───┴───┴────┴────┘ >> > > > > > >> > > s=: [: ,. [: <;._1 ' ' , ] >> > > > > > >> > > (s N),.dyads M >> > > > > > >> > > ┌────┬────┐ >> > > > > > >> > > │x+y │x+ y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┼────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x-y │x- y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┼────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x<.y│x<.y│ >> > > > > > >> > > ├────┼────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │x>.y│x>.y│ >> > > > > > >> > > └────┴────┘ >> > > > > > >> > > 5!:4 <'s' >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > 5!:4 <'s' >> > > > > > >> > > ┌─ [: >> > > > > > >> > > ├─ ,. >> > > > > > >> > > │ ┌─ [: >> > > > > > >> > > ──┤ │ ┌─ < >> > > > > > >> > > │ ├─ ;. ─┴─ _1 >> > > > > > >> > > └────┤ >> > > > > > >> > > │ ┌─ ' ' >> > > > > > >> > > └──────┼─ , >> > > > > > >> > > └─ ] >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > I still need to write your version explicitly as I don't >> quite >> > > > > get ;. >> > > > > > >> > > Yet. >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > However in later greades it will be easier to add new >> verbs >> > > to M >> > > > > than >> > > > > > >> N >> > > > > > >> > so >> > > > > > >> > > maybe you have ideas to improve dyads. >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks Linda >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > >> > > From: programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com [mailto: >> > > > > > >> > > programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On Behalf Of >> Raul >> > > > > Miller >> > > > > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 7:19 PM >> > > > > > >> > > To: Programming forum >> > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] This surprised me. >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > I guess your & allergy hits you for anything you inspect? >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > Here's a variation on cut which will do the job: >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > simplercut=: [: <;._1 ' ' , ] >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > N=:'x+y x-y x<.y x>.y' >> > > > > > >> > > simplercut N >> > > > > > >> > > +---+---+----+----+ >> > > > > > >> > > |x+y|x-y|x<.y|x>.y| >> > > > > > >> > > +---+---+----+----+ >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > I hope this helps. >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- >> > > > > > >> > > Raul >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Linda Alvord < >> > > > > lindaalv...@verizon.net >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks Raul, >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cut works but has too many & and @'s and all sorts of >> other >> > > > > stuff. >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I got what I wanted with >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > M=:'+ - <. >.' >> > > > > > >> > > > ,.<"1 'x ',"1 (>;:M),"1' y' >> > > > > > >> > > > -------┐ >> > > > > > >> > > > │x + y│ >> > > > > > >> > > > +------+ >> > > > > > >> > > > │x - y│ >> > > > > > >> > > > +------+ >> > > > > > >> > > > │x <. y│ >> > > > > > >> > > > +------+ >> > > > > > >> > > > │x >. y│ >> > > > > > >> > > > L------- >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I can't find where to get "html" or "rich text" in the >> > > current >> > > > > > >> Outlook. >> > > > > > >> > > > Sorry. >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Linda >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > >> > > > From: programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com >> > > > > > >> > > > [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On >> > > Behalf Of >> > > > > > >> Linda >> > > > > > >> > > > Alvord >> > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:07 AM >> > > > > > >> > > > To: programm...@jsoftware.com >> > > > > > >> > > > Subject: [Jprogramming] This surprised me. >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > M=:'+ - <. >.' >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ;:M >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > --T-T--T--┐ >> > > > > > >> > > > │+│-│<.│>.│ >> > > > > > >> > > > L-+-+--+--- >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > N=:'x+y x-y x<.y x>.y' >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ;:N >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I wanted 4 boxes for N >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Linda >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > > > For information about J forums see >> > > > > > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > > > For information about J forums see >> > > > > > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > > For information about J forums see >> > > > > > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > > For information about J forums see >> > > > > > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > For information about J forums see >> > > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> For information about J forums see >> > > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > Devon McCormick, CFA >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Devon McCormick, CFA >> > > > > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > For information about J forums see >> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > regards, >> > > > > ==================================================== >> > > > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> > > > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> > > > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --armor --export 4434BAB3 >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > >> > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> > > -- >> > > regards, >> > > ==================================================== >> > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --armor --export 4434BAB3 >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> -- >> regards, >> ==================================================== >> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --armor --export 4434BAB3 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > -- > Devon McCormick, CFA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
