# Re: [Jprogramming] Thoughts on formatting numbers

```Perhaps we shouldn't assume that the last binary digit is accurate.
Previous calculations could reduce precision. And usually input is not
accurate - especially to 16 significant digits. Often the input may not
even be correct in the first digit.```
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Conceptually, a floating point number does not represent a precise
> value. Instead, it represents a value from an interval which extends
> roughly half a bit lower and half a bit higher in the largest
> fractional position which can't be represented in that floating point
> format.
>
> But not only is that a mouthful, the "can't be represented" part makes
> it hard to work with.
>
> One approach, though, would be to extend the range all the way into
> the bit that can be represented.
>
> To illustrate:
>
> fmtexact=:3 :'5!:5<''y'''
> ic=: 3!:4
> fc=: 3!:5
>
> bump=:4 :0
>   assert. IF64
>   (\$y)\$_2 fc 3 ic x +  _3 ic 2 fc,y
> )
>
> fmts=:3 :0
>   _1 0 1 fmtexact@bump"0 _/ y
> )
>
> Using a recent example from this forum:
>
>    fmts 11110171%100
> 111101.709999999992
> 111101.710000000006
> 111101.710000000021
>
> What's interesting is that if there's a 00.. sequence which turns into
> a 99.. sequence in a floating point neighbor, it's probably reasonable
> to treat that sequence as an infinite stream of zeros (which can be
>
> (Also perhaps interesting is that the verb 'bump' takes advantage of
> an intentional design feature of floating point numbers: you can
> compare them as integers to determine which of two floating point
> numbers is larger.)
>
> Technically you don't even need to look for repetition - just a 0 that
> turns into a 9 when you go smaller (or a 9 that turns into a 0 when
> you go larger) could be sufficient to treat the digit sequence as
> zeros from that point on.
>
> I am not sure if this would deal with all cases of complex number
> fuzz, but it seems like an interesting idea to play with.
>
> --
> Raul
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