I stand corrected. On two counts: 1. Hauke wrote: > Sometimes a depiction tells more than a thousand example stories simple though they may be…
I'm happy to include depictions, if you're smart enough to devise them. Plus references to, or quotations from, past forum postings, e.g. links to pipermail. Like so… http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2021-May/058194.html 2. I wrote: > …especially ("), which is apt to look like your cat's got the keyboard. Your cat would have needed to place her left paw on the Shift key. On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:56, Hauke Rehr <[email protected]> wrote: > Sometimes a depiction tells more than a thousand example stories > simple though they may be. That’s why I made those representations. > Maybe they’re of use to anyone trying to build that ancillary page. > > should be attached (renamed) > feel free to give me feedback on what might need improvement/refinement > > Am 19.05.21 um 17:57 schrieb Ian Clark: > > From the pov of a beginner (I am a career beginner where coding is > > concerned)… > > > > The NuVoc format works well with verbs, less well with adverbs, but is > > rotten with conjunctions. > > > > Since its conjuctions are J's major gift to the world, this is a serious > > deficiency. I only know palliatives. One palliative is to identify each > > case of (u) in u"v (say) and document it as an adverb. > > > > If R.E. is saying this makes the rarer functionality hard to find, then I > > agree. The distinct adverbs are grouped only via the >> << buttons, > plus a > > bafflingly crowded cell in the main NuVoc portal. You have to be in an > > explorative mood to dare hit >> or <<, and often the result is not > > rewarding. And as for the crowded cell: you have to already know what it > > means before you can read it. > > > > Fortunately, most conjunctions are crystal clear after seeing a few > > well-crafted examples. > > > > The "Ancillary Pages" (q.v.) are intended as free-format, ad-hoc > extensions > > of a NuVoc page (or several), reachable with a prominent signpost, e.g. > > See: *Rank For Dummies*. You can insert a signpost wherever you think > > appropriate. > > > > Rank has several ancillary pages already, but there's always room for one > > more. This Is J, not Python — there's always one more way to do anything. > > > > Right now I've no time to write the ancillary page it needs. But I'll > > babytalk it if asked nicely. Let me suggest however… > > ++ Don't attempt a formal definition. They're only for J yogis – and if > > you're a yogi yourself you'll want to argue. > > ++ Give a series of very simple examples, related to real-world tasks > > ++ Unpack the code, even if the result looks babyish. The beginner is > > reading with only half a mind — the other half is overloaded with their > own > > immediate coding challenge. Like so… > > u=: +/ > > v=: * > > verb=: u . v > > …etc > > Most important for code using conjunctions, especially ("), which is apt > to > > look like your cat's got the keyboard. > > > > Lesson over. Please leave quietly. > > > > > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 15:39, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> There were some words in Details 1 of > >> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/quote ; also buried at the > >> end of the first paragraph of that page. I have added a bit there to > >> make it stand out more. > >> > >> The real question is How would a programmer answer the question, "How do > >> I apply a different verb to each cell of a noun?" We intended to have a > >> FAQ for such questions, but I don't know that it ever took off. > >> > >> Henry Rich > >> > >> On 5/19/2021 9:47 AM, R.E. Boss > >> wrote:https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/quote > >>> J901 beta-k > >>> > >>> Language addition: gerund"r: the left operand of m"v can now be a > cyclic > >> gerund, giving a sequence of verbs to be applied to corresponding cells > of > >> the arguments. At long last you can apply a different verb to each cell > of > >> a noun. For compatibility with the older uses of m"n, the gerund is > >> recognized only if the ranks v are not all infinite and m is a list of > >> boxes containing a valid gerund. This is an incompatible change only if > you > >> used m"n with finite rank and an m that looked like a gerund. 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