Let me amend what I was just saying about name:: ... I have been experimenting with a tacit style where the y "argument" represents the state of some big complicated object or system... for example, the state of a parser or a virtual machine.
I've found that "accessor" verbs are really handy, and allow you to decouple your tacit code from the actual implementation of the object. An accessor 'gsn' (for "get/set 'n'") is a ambivalent verb that works like this: gsn y -> ignore y and return S x gsn y -> ignore y. sets n to x and return S S here indicates whatever the "state of the whole system" is... 'gsn' here is a pronoun (proverb?) -- If you had three state variables n0,n1,n2, you would make three such verbs, gsn0, gsn1, gsn2. This is quite flexible. If you want to store the state of your system in an object or namespace, you can implement gsn like so: gsn0 =: {{ n0__state }} :: {{ n0__state =: x }} Then the y argument you pass is just '' or whatever you want, since it's ignored. Or you can choose to implement the state as some physical array structure, which gets accessed and modified in place: gsn1 =: {{ 1 { y }} :: {{ x 1 } y }} It would be nice if these accessors could be created automatically. For example, (if we weren't about to be using the syntax for 'self effacing names', we might use name:: to work as the accessor)... And then: name:: y could: - invoke name__y if y is a reference - extract they value for key 'name' from y if y is some kind of dictionary - extract n { y if 'name' is defined as a constant number x name:: y would do the analagous things for setting the value to x. Many object-oriented languages (python, C#, javascript) give you the ability to define such accessors either for specific names, *or* to design generic accessors that take the name as a parameter. For example, in python, you can arrange for y.x = n to do any of the following: 1. explicitly set the x attribute of object y to n (no accessor defined) 2. call a specific y.set_x(n) method 3. call a generic y.__setattr__(key='x', value=n) method My proposal is that x name:: y would have similar range of features, depending on the presence of certain handler verbs in the implicit locale (if y -: '') or on y itself. Likewise, 0:: 1:: _1:: etc could be recognized as 'index accessors' when y is an array. If you wanted to get really crazy, then ( index ):: could produce an explicit accessor function, where index is some noun that could be passed as m in m { y. This final form could perhaps even use the incredibly convenient "subarray notation" of x ;. 0 y , (which is an amazing "getter" but AFAICT, has no "setter" equivalent ) https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/semidot0#dyadic Here is some example code (parser combinators) that uses the "y is a structure" concept, where the pattern makes it very handy to implement backtracking. https://github.com/sabren/b4/blob/master/j/parseco.ijs Here is another example (virtual machine) using the "y is ignored" style, where the accessors get and set locale variables. https://github.com/sabren/b4/blob/master/j/b4.ijs This one in particular uses the idea to partition the virtual machine instructions into two sections. The "microcode" provides accessor functions that get and set registers, and then the "instruction set" is defined in terms of these operations. This way I can decouple the instruction set from the actual implementation of the virtual machine's internals. Right now it just stores registers and memory cells in separate variables, but an alternate implementation might instead store everything in one big memory-mapped file, so the machine state could persist on disk or be shared between different processes, and this would only require swapping out the "microcode" layer. Anyway, I know the syntax part of this is still a half-baked proposal, but the actual idea is very usable now, and pretty fun to use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm