I am also very happy about the return of tacit modifiers. Everyone has their own particular reason to use J, and for me that's extreme terseness (I mostly write tiny research programs).
Additionally, I think that having a choice of variation from terse to explicit is very nice to write short and clear programs: full tacit very obvious parts, and very explicit 'clever' parts. Cheers, Raoul Le lun. 27 sept. 2021 à 11:32, Hauke Rehr <hauke.r...@uni-jena.de> a écrit : > 1+ > > I thought HR was so opposed to re-introducing them, > they’d stay buried in J5’s (?) tomb. > Personally, I’d have liked to try and learn them, > but only taken baby steps because of their abandonment. > Now I’m eager to learn tacit thinking beyond what had > been kept alive. > > I agree not everyone needs to explore them but personally, > I felt that very need yet also wanted to get the benefits > of the latest J available. > > Thanks for bringing them back. > This makes the language Rich (yes, exactly) and usually > that’s a good thing in itself no matter how much of it > gets used regularly¹. There are and will always be > different styles, tastes, and sometimes there are revivals > of parts of a language, on the thesaurus or grammar level, > both in natural and artificial languages. > Sure the language shouldn’t get bloated without good reason.² > > But amoung the main differences between the Iversonian languages > and most of the others (most notably the C syntax family) is > tacit programming. Few programmers learn it at all. > If J was a mainstream language with hundreds of thousands of > people using it for decades, and still hardly anyone of them > could make good sense or good use of that part of the language, > I’d agree it didn’t need to stay. > Once tacit programming is more common knowledge, I guess there > will be way more people who at least don’t have trouble > understanding those re-introduced trains. Time will tell. > > > ¹ I prefer perl’s TIMTOWTDI over python’s unique obvious way > ² much more of a problem with application programs, though > > PS: I ain’t a nostalgic oldtimer :-) > > > Am 27.09.21 um 02:09 schrieb ethiejiesa via Programming: > > Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And because they're cool. > > > > So much yes! Extremely pumped about this! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > -- > ---------------------- > mail written using NEO > neo-layout.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
