== Report of Meeting 2023-03-30 == Present: Ed Gottsman, Dave Lambert, Devon McCormick, Raul Miller, and Bob Therriault
Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-03-30 1) We started off with Ed's fourth demo of the new J wiki browser. This version includes search of forum posts and is drawing its information from the site directly, not from a cached version. Devon suggested a good intro explanation of the interface would help. Ed said that his goal was to make the interface so obvious that the introduction could be kept minimal. Ed reiterated that all of the interaction wth some exception is based on hovering to minimize friction for the user. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVtyjobPleA 2) Discussion whether there would be an issue with having a 100Mb cache to feed the system instead of live. Dave asked how often. Ed noted that there was not really a difference in speed of access between cache and internet, except in searches. Cache search time is milliseconds, internet search is about 2 seconds depending on connection. Bob wondered if having pages displayed on hover would create a few more orders of magnitude traffic on the site for each user. Raul did not think that the load would be volume of requests because text is being sent and that would be small compared to a video feed. Bob suggested that hovering might run from cache, but clicking on the page will go to the site and provide full interactivity including editing of a page for logged in users. Ed said for Mac's he has put in a double click that will load a page in a third party browser window, he has not found how to make it cross platform yet. Bob pointed out that a downloaded cache also provides access without internet connection. Ed suggested we see if there is an impact before we decide. Devon agreed "Don't optimize too soon". 3) Bob reflected that this browser has made access so quick that it has changed the way that he has looked at the wiki. Such quick access has changed the way that Bob has looked at categories. In the past the category pages provided content that would provide a context for the pages, https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Reference_R but such quick access means that the category content is less important. Raul pointed out that if you are not using Ed's wiki browser you would still need the content on the page. Bob said that category content might be generated by ChatGPT as it does a decent job of summarizing when reviewed for accuracy. The categories do become more important because the structure they provide is the basis of the J wiki browser. The J wiki browser is based in jQt, but there is nothing that keeps it from being browser based other than having the expertise to develop it. Not all web developers are that focussed on fast interaction, but game developers may be a direction to go. Having had a chance to play with the interface, Bob asked when this might be available to the J wiki group and Ed suggested a week or two. 4) Raul suggested that the interface should still show when something is clickable. Ed said with hovering everything is clickable, but clicking is not necessary. Raul suggested a click would hold the position of the selection box, but the text would change colour to blue when you hover over it, indicating it can be clicked. Bob suggested that the clicking of the box would also set the history of the web view so you could access the clicked box. Bob wondered if this would load pages that were touched in transit would show up as well. Bob wondered if it was possible to set a time limit for the page so that transit pages would not be picked up and put on the display list. 5) Dave asked a question about using the graphic animation on a raspberry pi for an art installation. Not wiki related, but if you are interested in this you might check the transcript. For access to previous meeting reports https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development If you would like to participate in the development of the J wiki please contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J wiki meeting held on Thursdays at 23:00 (UTC) Next meeting is April 6th, 2023. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
