Present: Ed Gottsman, Devon McCormick, Raul Miller, and Bob Therriault Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-04-20
1) We started off with Ed's seventh demo of the new J wiki browser. Ed mentioned that Bob had created a prototype that allowed child controls to change their visibility and size which makes the appearance of the browser more flexible to respond to Search requirements and NuVoc screen space. Ed had also created the an animation of the centre pane sliding over the table of contents. Raul found that this was a bit distracting and Ed feels that it is probably not worth the distraction for what the gains are. Bob wondered if fading colour might allow the background to be less distracting. Ed also reduced the font size, as had been advised by Stephen Therriault, and taken the palette of NuVoc. Ed chose not to use the palette of the wiki and Bob agreed that there should be a distinction between the viewer and the web pages. Ed suggested that it was an open question. 2) There was some discussion about the hierarchy of the wiki structure and how it is represented by indentation in the table of contents. Ed raised the question about whether there was a different way of organizing the wiki based on popularity of the pages as opposed to the wiki structure that emerged as it grew. Bob felt that the table of contents does not have to be an either or and that two category trees could be created. The issue with that would be that we would be dividing our resources for indexing. Popularity might be a particularly difficult indexing challenge as it might have more evolution over time. Other options would be to have particular interests reflected in the table of contents such as mathematician, engineer, computer science etc. 3) Ed has found that search has been a challenge because the search field below tends to hide information as the cursor moves over other pages. Bob suggested that the search bar might be put above, but that would require that Ed split the table of contents and the centre pane into separate isigraphs. Devon wondered if the table of contents could be made into a tab to get it out of the way. 4) Ed discussed making the font size smaller, since the larger the font, the less whitespace is available. Stephen had also mentioned that there was a lot of information on the screen and felt that reducing the font size while retaining the target size allows quicker scanning while maintaining same target size. Ed tried out a smaller font live and it seemed to address some of the issues. 5) Ed talked about issues that he had with the search results being displayed in the table of contents. Raul wonder if using colour to separate the search terms from the results. Bob wondered if there was an opportunity to put the results in the centre pane under the different locations. This was similar to earlier versions, but there were issues with the number of search results fitting into the centre pane. 6) Raul showed an issue that he has seen with Forums and the way that his dates displayed. There seems to be an issue with interference on the forum dates. Also, some of the search results are not showing up and Ed thinks that it might be an http https issue. It may be an issue with the ampersands not being recognized properly by the browser. Ed's feeling is that he will need to keep focus on the smaller displays because they seem to be the source of many of the issues that have shown up. Ed is exploring the option of shrinking the browser window until you want to display it and then having the window expand when the mouse wheel event happens on the webview. This will be solved when webview can view mouse move events, which is apparently coming in the next iteration of jQt. Mouse events are sampled so that it is hard to know exact position of the mouse. Bob wonders if there is a setting that we are missing on the webview window that allows us to use scroll bar. 7) Ed has added a black border that will lock the screen for 3 seconds while you move across the screen and that seems to be a good interim fix for the inadvertent hover. Raul wondered about whether there is a way to convey the structure of the program, so that he might be able to better trouble shoot some of the issues that he has found. 8) Bob mentioned again the popularity index to structure the tree and that it should be considered for a while before any commitment. Ed agrees that there is work that will always be done in curation. Bob suggests that NuVoc might provide a portal into the wiki information with links to J Playground for examples. This could be provided through the category tree with links to the primitives. 9) Bob also noted that Wiki Hints has moved over to the side bar as it is more maintenance than it is information about the J language. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Home He also showed the Delete Update and FixMe pages that could have links for the pages that require attention https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Delete We may have regular review in the wiki meetings to go over some of these pages. Devon mentioned that this should be in the Contributing to wiki page and the How to use this wiki page. Devon invited Ed to show his work at an NYCJUG meeting and Ed planned to do a presentation at the May 9 meeting. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/NYCJUG/2023-05-09 For access to previous meeting reports https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development If you would like to participate in the development of the J wiki please contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J wiki meeting held on Thursdays at 23:00 (UTC) Next meeting is April 27th, 2023. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
