== Report of Meeting 2023-07-27 == Present: Ed Gottsman, Dave Lambert, Raul Miller and Bob Therriault
Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-27-20 1) Prior to the meeting start we solved an issue that the J Wiki Browser was having with Unix systems and issues with wget and curl. Then Ed showed a few changes that he had made to the application. One was the ability to shrink and expand the browser video to allow the user to focus on content or navigation depending on the user's choice. JSaurus https://github.com/0racle/Jsaurus was also added, which is a Git repository J form of the APLcart https://aplwiki.com/wiki/APLcart,a searchable database of useful APL phrases. JSaurus is in its early stages, but is prompted Ed to add a Live Search that will search all the code in the forum posts and select whatever primitives you might be interested in. Live Search also allows you moved to the context of the forum post. Live Search is really a proof of concept and its main use is that it would take a lot of the work out of curating the content for JSaurus. Adám Brudzewsky is the main driver behind APLcart and has offered others access to the code. Raul pointed out that there were things that he might do to create tools. Ed pointed out that there is a challenge in developing a community that might make submissions of use J snippets. Bob suggested using the J phrases as a way to seed the information and create a critical mass. Raul pointed out that the naming conventions of the m0 and n0 that might be difficult to categorize. Bob suggested maybe the newer version of the J phrases https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Phrases might be useful, but it still had some challenges. Ed thought that the examples in NuVoc might be candidates for content as well. Ed had set up a flash card training set that might be useful. Bob wondered if Large Language Models, such as ChatGPT, would be useful given a target of the J wiki, which might make the information more reliable. 2) Bob raised the question about whether it is more important to have a lot of information or whether there is more use to more of a mentorship approach of training an apprentice how to make proper use of the information. John Seeley Brown wrote about 'how to be', where not only the information but the culture and the knowledge of the systems that you are working in. https://www.johnseelybrown.com/WorkingLearningLeading.pdf 3) Bob mentioned that he was also impressed with the addition of J Playground in the J wiki Browser and whether that could be incorporated into JSaurus as a way to see live examples of the code. Ed felt that he could prioritize the information that Live Search provides with JSaurus at the top followed by NuVoc, the wiki and then the forum posts. 4) Bob talked about the Primer development and that he was using J904 using JQt as an IDE. Bob wondered about including direct definition for users. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/DirectDefinition Ed thought that the old version was better because it allowed development of a verb without needing to decide the valence of the verb. Bob said he would discuss it with Eric as the original author and see what he thought about using Direct Definitions to define verbs in the Primer. For access to previous meeting reports https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development If you would like to participate in the development of the J wiki please contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J wiki meeting held on Thursdays at 23:00 (UTC) Next meeting is August 3rd, 2023. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
