N V V is a fork, processed as if it were (N"_ V V) . A A, N C, C N, and V V are all valid hooks. The others like C C are not (they were, back in the Golden Age), and maybe the Dictionary should be emended to change that line or add an explanation that not all combinations have valid syntax.
Henry Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of p j > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:11 PM > To: Programming forum > Subject: RE: [Jprogramming] Parsing conjunctions > > Just read that now. Very useful stuff. Thank you. > > A new mystery though... > > EDGE+AVN VERB+NOUN VERB VERB 5 Trident (Fork) > EDGE CAVN CAVN ANY 6 Bident (Hook/Adverb) > > (N V V) can be a fork? -- through testing I see that > this makes what I thought should be called a dyadic > hook. I presume the name doesn't matter so much, just > that the pattern is parsed as something. > > For line 6, > EDGE N N ANY -> syntax error > EDGE C A ANY -> syntax error > EDGE C C ANY -> syntax error > and probably more.... (NV) is syntax error > Does this pattern only really match? > EDGE A A ANY -> adverb > EDGE V V ANY -> hook > > > > --- Henry Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I did a decnt job of explaining this in J for C > > Programmers, in > > the chapters towards the end on Parsing. > > > > It turns out to be pretty hard to say what a verb > > phrase is. > > The only way I could come up with makes reference to > > the > > parsing rules. > > > > Henry Rich > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of p j > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:43 PM > > > To: Programming forum > > > Subject: [Jprogramming] Parsing conjunctions > > > > > > (-: *:)@+: 2 > > > 0 > > > -: *:@+: 2 > > > 8 > > > -: (*:)@+: 2 > > > 8 > > > +:@-: (*:)@+: 2 > > > 16 > > > +:@-: *:@+: 2 > > > 16 > > > +:@(-: *:@+:) 2 > > > 0 > > > +:@-: (*:@+: 2) > > > 16 > > > > > > >From the dictionary, conjunctions have as left > > > argument "the entire verb phrase that precedes > > it." > > > p=: 2 : 'u' > > > +:@-: *:@+: p 1 > > > +:@-: *:@+: > > > That doesn't mean very much, because the > > relationship > > > of the entire verb phrase is dependent upon the > > single > > > word (or paren'd entity) that is to the left of > > the > > > conjunction. > > > > > > +:@-: 2 + *:@+: 2 > > > 18 > > > +:@-: 2 + (*:@+:) 2 > > > 18 > > > > > > >From the above examples, it looks a lot like you > > could > > > think of conjunctions as binding with the word on > > its > > > left (which will then be processed by the rest of > > the > > > sentence) > > > > > > Amazingly, > > > +:@-: *:@(+: p 1) > > > +:@-: *:@+: > > > +:@-: 2 + p + + > > > +:@-: (2 + +) > > > +:@-: 2 (+ p +) + > > > +:@-: (2 + +) > > > > > > Can you say that for any conjunction c, sentences > > s > > > and words w: > > > s3 (s2)c(s1) -: s3 ((s2)c(s1)) > > > s3 w2 c w1 -: s3 (w2 c w1) > > > > > > I'm very surprised that there seems no way to > > limit > > > the left argument to a conjunction by > > parenthesising. > > > > > > Here's another example that better illustrates the > > > concept that conjunctions really left-bind with > > one > > > word: > > > -/ +/"(0) 3 2 3 > > > 4 > > > -/"0 +/"(0) 3 2 3 > > > 3 2 3 > > > (shouldn't rank be setting all verbs on the > > left > > > side?) > > > > > > what semantics make that meaningful? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
