Joey K Tuttle wrote: > At 15:00 +0800 2007/05/03, Chris Burke wrote: >>Björn Helgason wrote: >>> I am wondering why this is not defined!? >> >>Almost everything in the J development environment requires the GUI. >>jconsole is not a development environment, and it is not sensible to >>support it as if it were. >> > > Well, there are a few of us contrarians who DO use jconsole > as a "development environment" - but I think most of us have > given up complaining... (most of the time :) > > - joey
I'm with Joey on this one. I don't see why insisting on a particular development or deployment environment is desirable. I do not know the full history, but I understand this philosophy did not help the APLs. If you use multiple languages, you tend to stick with one development environment. I personally use emacs, and run J through jconsole. I am generally prepared to live with the tradeoffs involved. My concern is not the USERFOLDERS_j_ problem (where I agree with Chris that custom profiles are the answer) but the declining support for jpm under jconsole. Not all cultures want GUIs. For example, in electronic math journal publishing, the preferred platform is command-line programs that work under both Linux and Cygwin. If users had to type into a GUI, they would laugh, and then throw away the application. I know Chris has strong feelings about this, and I am not trying to be cause trouble.. J's IDE has much to commend it: new users can get going immediately, and it completely satisfies the needs of many developers. However, I fear that tying J too closely to a particular development or deployment environment is too isolationist. Best wishes, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
