Well, let's apply Iverson's test for a notation.
http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/tot.htm

1. Important Characteristics of Notation
   1.1 Ease of Expressing Constructs Arising in Problems
   1.2 Suggestivity
   1.3 Subordination of Detail
   1.4 Economy
   1.5 Amenability to Formal Proofs

How well do Forth and Smalltalk (and J, for that matter) 
do in these measures?



----- Original Message -----
From: Zsbán Ambrus <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:44
Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Efficient Quick Sort?
To: Programming forum <[email protected]>

> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roger Hui <[email protected]> wrote:
> > J is suitable
> > for testing sorting ideas, for the same reasons that
> > it is suited for testing other programming ideas:
> > interactive environment, conciseness, expressiveness,
> > etc.
> 
> This is what all the Forth and Smalltalk guys claim of their
> development environment (language + standard libraries + ui) as well.
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