Since there are many gods and goddesses they do not understand each other much more than we do.
http://odinsvolk.ca/O.V.A.%20-%20GODSundGODDESSES.htm The Germanic Gods and Goddesses are real and true. They are much like us; they have different manifestations in many dimensions. Here in my country we never had any problems with christianity. When the people came and asked us to believe in their god or they would mame or kill us otherwise we said sure no problem adding one more god to the flora. http://asatru.is/ 2011/10/28 Linda Alvord <[email protected]> > Ken might have answered that God must be an awesome mathematician, since he > might have understood God better than most. > > (^1)^-o.i.1 > 1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:38 PM > To: Programming forum > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] 32- & 64-bit PRNGs > > I wonder if Carl Sagan, like Feynman, wasn't having joke after joke at > his audience's expense? (APWJ p 136, see also end of: > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Doc/Articles/Play151) > > The probability of any given finite pattern turning up in the first N > digits of a random sequence tends to 1 as N tends to infinity. The > aforementioned site estimates the odds for various values of N: > http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery#likely > > Sagan didn't say how many digits Ellie had to search (N) for her > (initially undefined) pattern. Was N sufficiently low to reject the > null hypothesis? The implication is: it wasn't. Nor is pi a random > series (it's pseudo-random). And when you're reading the Mind of God > -- does the null hypothesis have any cause to exist? -- viz is there > any merit in *guessing* the Mind of God? > > Nor is it the first time in the novel Ellie is the victim of illusion > (the alien deludes her he's her father... and yet she knows that). > > The whole novel is shot through with existential jokes, playing-off > science against sentiment. Once I spotted that I was ready to forgive > Sagan any amount of Slartibartfastian pseudo-engineering of pi. > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Roger Hui <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> For initial experiments, there's already a site which stores the first > >> 200M digits of pi, for hobbyists wanting to do Carl Sagan > >> "Contact"-type research: > > > > When I first read that in "Contact" years ago it knocked down by > > several notches my respect for the novel. Even the Almighty doesn't > > have any choice about the digits of π, right? What's He/She going to > > do about the various power series, f'instance? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Being old enough to have learned my electronics before the digital > >> age, I wonder if it isn't time to reconsider shot noise as a source of > >> random numbers. It has a forensic advantage in lottery draws, and > >> monte-carlo simulations of fraught political topics like climate > >> change, by taking the "pseudo" out of "pseudo-random". > >> > >> For years the UK gov ran a device called ERNIE > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERNIE#ERNIE > >> to pick premium bonds (a savings scheme where the interest payable was > >> put in a monthly draw). > >> > >> A device to generate binary digits from electronic noise would be so > >> simple it ought to be fitted as standard to today's desktop computers. > >> Failing that, if I had a serious need for true random numbers I'd > >> experiment with an open microphone line using Audacity to save the > >> number stream as a WAV. > >> > >> Need a reproducible number stream? With the amount of free storage > >> space in the "cloud" (I currently have access to around 2 GB and I > >> don't remember asking for it) why not just store it? I also have a 1TB > >> disk drive, mostly lying empty. > >> > >> For initial experiments, there's already a site which stores the first > >> 200M digits of pi, for hobbyists wanting to do Carl Sagan > >> "Contact"-type research: > >> http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery > >> Aside: ought the hunt for meaningful sequences in pi to be called > perimancy? :-) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Zsbán Ambrus <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Zsbán Ambrus <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Ewart Shaw <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> I want to generate pseudorandom sequences that are the same for 32- & > 64-bit J. > >>>> > >>>> Have you tried the other random generators the (9!:43) foreign makes > >>>> available? I'd guess some of them are the same for 32 and 64 bit J. > >>> > >>> Hmm, from a quick test, it seems Roger is right: none of the built in > >>> generators give the same results on the 32-bit and 64-bit J. > >>> > >>> Let's use the random generation functions from GSL ( > >>> http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ ) then. This example implements > >>> roll, but not deal. > >>> > >>> > >>> $ cat rngwrap.c > >>> #include <gsl/gsl_rng.h> > >>> > >>> /* > >>> Allocate a new random generator of the Mersenne Twister algorithm > >>> and initialize it with the default seed. > >>> */ > >>> gsl_rng * > >>> wrap_newrng(void) { > >>> gsl_rng *g = gsl_rng_alloc(gsl_rng_mt19937); > >>> return g; > >>> } > >>> > >>> $ cat rngwrap.ijs > >>> NB. random generator functions from GSL > >>> rngobj=: <'./rngwrap.so wrap_newrng > x'15!:0$0 > >>> rollint=: './rngwrap.so gsl_rng_uniform_int > x *c x'15!:0 rngobj;] > >>> rollflo=: './rngwrap.so gsl_rng_uniform_pos > d *c'15!:0 (,<rngobj)"_ > >>> roll=: rollflo`rollint`[:@.*"0 :[: > >>> > >>> $ gcc -Wall -O -fpic -lm -lgslcblas -lgsl -shared -o rngwrap.so > rngwrap.c > >>> $ jconsole rngwrap.ijs > >>> roll (10$1e4),5$0 > >>> 9997 1629 2826 9472 2316 4849 9574 7443 5400 7399 0.759944 0.658637 > >>> 0.315638 0.804403 0.519672 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur Fornustekkum II 781 Hornafirði, t-póst: [email protected] gsm: +3546985532 twitter: @flugfiskur http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum /|_ .-----------------------------------. ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | ( -. | `-----------------------------------' | ) | (\_ _/) (`-. 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