Write TAB to a file in term does not show the TABs in JHS
('this',CR,'is',TAB,TAB,TAB,TAB,' strange') fwrite 'd:\testa.dot'
22
above are both TAB and mechanical TABs
('this',CR,'is',TAB,TAB,TAB,TAB,' strange') fwrite 'd:\testa.dot'
22
Here above a four spaces instead of TABs inside the string
Read them into JHS
a=.fread'd:\testa.dot'
a
this
is strange
a.i.a
116 104 105 115 13 105 115 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 115 116 114 97 110 103 101
The former contains TABs but does not show
a=.fread'd:\testa.dot'
a
this
is strange
a.i.a
116 104 105 115 13 105 115 9 9 9 9 32 32 32 32 115 116 114 97 110 103 101
This one above here has four spaces and they are shown
2012/2/7 Don Guinn <dongu...@gmail.com>
> Looks like in JHS TAB and several other characters are displayed as blanks.
> 4 u: i.16 16
>
>
>
> ┌┬┐├┼┤└┴┘│─
> !"#$%&'()*+,-./
> 0123456789:;<=>?
> @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
> PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_
> `abcdefghijklmno
> pqrstuvwxyz{|}~
> € ‚ƒ„ †‡ˆ‰Š‹Œ Ž
> ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œ žŸ
> ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬®¯
> °±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿
> ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏ
> ÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞß
> àáâãäåæçèéêëìíîï
> ðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ
>
> In GTK they are displayed in the octal format.
> 4 u: i.16 16
> \001\002\003\004\005\006\007\010\011
> \013\014
> \016\017
> ┌┬┐├┼┤└┴┘│─\033\034\035\036\037
> !"#$%&'()*+,-./
> 0123456789:;<=>?
> @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
> PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_
> `abcdefghijklmno
> pqrstuvwxyz{|}~
> € ‚ƒ„ †‡ˆ‰Š‹Œ Ž
> ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œ žŸ
> ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬®¯
> °±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿
> ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏ
> ÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞß
> àáâãäåæçèéêëìíîï
> ðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ
>
> Perhaps it would be good if both would recognize TAB as they both recognize
> CR.
>
> 2012/2/7 Björn Helgason <gos...@gmail.com>
>
> > 8 8 8 #: a.i.CR
> > 0 1 5
> > 8 8 8 #: a.i.LF
> > 0 1 2
> > 8 8 8 #: a.i.TAB
> > 0 1 1
> > 'this',CR,'is',TAB,'strange'
> > 'this',CR,'is',TAB,'strange'
> > this
> > is\011strange
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/7 Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > 8 8 8 #: a.i.TAB
> > > 0 1 1
> > >
> > > --
> > > Raul
> > >
> > > 2012/2/7 Björn Helgason <gos...@gmail.com>:
> > > > How come that TAB displays /011 ?
> > > >
> > > > a.i.CR
> > > > 13
> > > > a.i.LF
> > > > 10
> > > > a.i.TAB
> > > > 9
> > > > TAB
> > > > \011
> > > > 9{a.
> > > > \011
> > > > CR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LF
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2012/2/6 chris burke <cbu...@jsoftware.com>
> > > >
> > > >> Right, thanks. This is a better definition:
> > > >>
> > > >> octal_j_=: 3 : 0
> > > >> t=. ,y
> > > >> if. LF e. t do.
> > > >> t=. octal each <;._2 t,LF
> > > >> }: ; t ,each LF return.
> > > >> end.
> > > >> u=. isutf8 t
> > > >> x=. a. i. t
> > > >> m=. x < 32
> > > >> if. u > 1 e. m do. t return. end.
> > > >> m=. I. m +. u < x > 126
> > > >> r=. t ,"0 1 [ 3 # EAV
> > > >> s=. '\',.}.1 ": 8 (#.^:_1) 255,m{x
> > > >> EAV -.~ , s m} r
> > > >> )
> > > >>
> > > >> octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> > > >> 時間\002\003\004
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:30 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Execuse me, all code points below 128 are valid utf8 because they
> > are
> > > >> valid
> > > >> > 7-bit ascii. For example,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > isutf8 128{.a.
> > > >> > 1
> > > >> > isutf8 129{.a.
> > > >> > 0
> > > >> > isutf8 '時間', 2 3 4{a.
> > > >> > 1
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ascii mixes well with control characters,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > octal_j_ 'abc',2 3 4{a.
> > > >> > abc\002\003\004
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It would be more usefuly if
> > > >> >
> > > >> > octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> > > >> > 時間\002\003\004
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I meant only octalize the range 0-31. Other characters will be
> taken
> > > care
> > > >> > by
> > > >> > choosing a suitable font.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Chris Burke писал(а):
> > > >> > > That is exactly the point - if the argument is not valid utf8,
> it
> > > >> > displays
> > > >> > > it in octal. In your example, the 2 3 4 { a. ensure that it is
> not
> > > >> valid
> > > >> > > utf8.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > However if the argument is utf8, it is returned unchanged, e.g.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > octal_j_ '時間'
> > > >> > > 時間
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The change I just suggested is that instead of checking the
> entire
> > > >> > string,
> > > >> > > check the string line by line.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:59 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > This is a output using octal_j_
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> > > >> > > > \346\231\202\351\226\223\002\003\004
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > For most chinese, display with octal_j_ is almost rubbish. I
> > guess
> > > >> > russian
> > > >> > > > would also be similar.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Chris Burke писал(а):
> > > >> > > > > In J gtk, the session expects data in utf8 format. Obviously
> > a.
> > > >> won't
> > > >> > > > work,
> > > >> > > > > but could be converted to utf8 for display.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > The utility that formats data for display is octal_j_. This
> > > does a
> > > >> > simple
> > > >> > > > > check on the argument string and either returns it
> unchanged,
> > or
> > > >> > formats
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > > octal. A simple improvement is to run the formatter on each
> > > line,
> > > >> > rather
> > > >> > > > > than the string as a whole, as below:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > octal_j_=: 3 : 0
> > > >> > > > > t=. ,y
> > > >> > > > > x=. a. i. t
> > > >> > > > > n=. x e. 9 10 13
> > > >> > > > > m=. n < 32 > x
> > > >> > > > > if. (isutf8 t) > 1 e. m do. t return. end.
> > > >> > > > > if. LF e. t do.
> > > >> > > > > t=. octal each <;._2 t,LF
> > > >> > > > > }: ; t ,each LF return.
> > > >> > > > > end.
> > > >> > > > > r=. t ,"0 1 [ 3 # EAV
> > > >> > > > > if. #m=. I. m +. x>126 do.
> > > >> > > > > s=. '\',.}.1 ": 8 (#.^:_1) 255,m{x
> > > >> > > > > r=. s m} r
> > > >> > > > > end.
> > > >> > > > > EAV -.~ ,r
> > > >> > > > > )
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > For example, this works reasonably well with the new
> > definition:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > load 'unicode'
> > > >> > > > > toutf8 &> _16<\a.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On my machine, the first two rows (first 32 chars) are still
> > in
> > > >> > octal,
> > > >> > > > but
> > > >> > > > > the rest get displayed using the proper characters (where
> > > available
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > font).
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I would appreciate suggestions for futher improvements to
> the
> > > octal
> > > >> > > > utility.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM, bill lam <
> bbill....@gmail.com
> > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > behaviour of < is different if the string is unicode. u:
> is
> > > >> > required
> > > >> > > > in
> > > >> > > > > > some places and it is not related to simplicity or
> > complexity
> > > if
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > > > > > wants correct results.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > compare the outputs of _16{.a. with u: _16{.a.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > the first contains illegal utf8 characters which can be
> > > checked
> > > >> by
> > > >> > > > > > isutf8 _16{.a.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > What would you expect from gtkide to display those illegal
> > > >> > characters?
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Fraser Jackson писал(а):
> > > >> > > > > > > Why should I have to use u: to box elements of a. ?
> > Seems
> > > an
> > > >> > > > > > unnecessary
> > > >> > > > > > > complication - and a bigger problem for beginners.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > In gtkide <"0 [2}. u: i. 16 16 still has all the
> > problems.
> > > >> That
> > > >> > > > > > suggests
> > > >> > > > > > > some problems are associated with the unicode treatment
> of
> > > >> > control
> > > >> > > > > > > characters.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > Even in Jconsole the first and second line are also
> > > >> > irregular.When
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > > configure specifies a mono spaced font in gtkide we
> should
> > > >> surely
> > > >> > > > expect
> > > >> > > > > > > characters within the ascii set will be treated as atoms
> > and
> > > >> > > > assigned a
> > > >> > > > > > > single space.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > I am really seeking that members of the alphabet ( and
> > > hence
> > > >> any
> > > >> > > > literal
> > > >> > > > > > > nouns defined using that set ) have each member treated
> as
> > > an
> > > >> > atom
> > > >> > > > and
> > > >> > > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > > that treatment is clearly separated from their role in
> > > >> > controlling
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > > nature of the display. That seems to have been achieved
> > in
> > > >> J602.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > The treatment of type 131072 - unicode obviously
> involves
> > a
> > > >> host
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > > > other
> > > >> > > > > > > issues with respect to display and treatment of aoms.
> > > However
> > > >> > there
> > > >> > > > are
> > > >> > > > > > a
> > > >> > > > > > > large number of problems within the narrower framework
> of
> > > atoms
> > > >> > > > within
> > > >> > > > > > a. or
> > > >> > > > > > > represented by those characters. Precise, simple and
> > > consistent
> > > >> > > > display
> > > >> > > > > > of
> > > >> > > > > > > those atoms is extremely valuable and important and has
> > not
> > > yet
> > > >> > been
> > > >> > > > > > > achieved with the gtkide.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > Fraser
> > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > > > From: "bill lam" <bbill....@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > > > > To: <programming@jsoftware.com>
> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:04 PM
> > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Problems displaying the
> > > alphabet in
> > > >> > > > J701gtk
> > > >> > > > > > and
> > > >> > > > > > > J701jhs
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > It seemes that the characters in the first two rows
> > caused
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > trouble,
> > > >> > > > > > > > the following display ok in gtkide,
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > <"0 [ u: 2}. i.16 16
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > jconsole have no problem in displaying them.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > <"0[u: i.16 16
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >>
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> > > >> > > > > > ====================================================
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> > > >> > > > > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
> > > >> > > > > >
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> > > >> > > > --
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> > > >> > > > ====================================================
> > > >> > > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
> > > >> > > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
> > > >> > > >
> > > >>
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> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > regards,
> > > >> > ====================================================
> > > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
> > > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
> > > >> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur
> > > > Fornustekkum II
> > > > 781 Hornafirði,
> > > > t-póst: gos...@gmail.com
> > > > gsm: +3546985532
> > > > twitter: @flugfiskur
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari
> > einfaldleikans
> > > >
> > > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum
> > > > /|_ .-----------------------------------.
> > > > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður |
> > > > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag |
> > > > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn |
> > > > ( -. | `-----------------------------------'
> > > > | ) | (\_ _/)
> > > > (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙
> > > > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur
> > Fornustekkum II
> > 781 Hornafirði,
> > t-póst: gos...@gmail.com
> > gsm: +3546985532
> > twitter: @flugfiskur
> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming
> >
> >
> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans
> >
> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum
> > /|_ .-----------------------------------.
> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður |
> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag |
> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn |
> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------'
> > | ) | (\_ _/)
> > (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙
> > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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>
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Fornustekkum II
781 Hornafirði,
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gsm: +3546985532
twitter: @flugfiskur
http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming
Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans
góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum
/|_ .-----------------------------------.
,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður |
,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag |
/ / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn |
( -. | `-----------------------------------'
| ) | (\_ _/)
(`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙
`. )----' (")_(") ☃☠
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