Alain,

you actually want to do 2 things:

- change the reference frame (from ITRF92 to ITRF2014)

- and change of coordinate epoch in one of the coordinate frames (presumably in ITRF2014)

You can't do that just by using the 15-parameter ITRF92->ITRF2014 transformation.

So first step, change from ITRF92 to ITRF2014 at epoch 1993.0. You must use +t_epoch=2010 as it is the canoncial central epoch of the transformation

$ echo -139.57736536   -8.95162075   2.234  1993.0 | cct -d 8 +proj=pipeline +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80 +step +proj=helmert +x=-0.0154 +y=-0.0015 +z=0.0708 +rx=0 +ry=0 +rz=-0.00026 +s=-0.00309 +dx=-0.0001 +dy=0.0005 +dz=0.0033 +drx=0 +dry=0 +drz=-2e-05 +ds=-0.00012 +t_epoch=2010 +convention=position_vector +step +inv +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80
 -139.57736535     -8.95162059    2.24172393     1993.0000

You can also that by using EPSG objects (but using lat, long order)

$ echo -8.95162075  -139.57736536  2.234 1993.0 | cs2cs -d 8 ITRF92 ITRF2014
-8.95162059    -139.57736535 2.24172393 1993.0

and second step, apply the Pacific plate motion Helmert transformation for ITRF2014:

$ echo   -139.57736535     -8.95162059    2.24172393 2023 | cct -d 8 \
    +proj=pipeline +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80 \
    +step +init=ITRF2014:PCFC +t_epoch=1993 \
    +step +inv +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80
 -139.57738390     -8.95161168    2.24071029     2023.0000

The ITRF2014:PCFC parameters are at https://github.com/OSGeo/PROJ/blob/4762020db550ac3b9405970f8830abdb5fefdb48/data/ITRF2014#L51

If inlined:

$ echo -139.57736535     -8.95162059    2.24172393 2023 | cct -d 8 +proj=pipeline +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80 +step +proj=helmert +drx=-0.000409 +dry=0.001047 +drz=-0.002169 +convention=position_vector +t_epoch=1993 +step +inv +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80
 -139.57738390     -8.95161168    2.24071029     2023.0000

The difference between the initial and final coordinate in ITRF2014 is 2.272 m.

$ echo  -8.95162075 -139.57736536 -8.95161168 -139.57738390  | geod -I +ellps=GRS80

-63d48'8.651"    116d11'51.359"    2.272

You could actually concatenate the 2 pipelines by using the +proj=set +v_4=2023 operator to force the target epoch of the plate motion transformation

$ echo -139.57736536   -8.95162075   2.234  1993.0 | cct -d 8 +proj=pipeline \
     +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80 \
     +step +proj=helmert +x=-0.0154 +y=-0.0015 +z=0.0708 +rx=0 +ry=0 +rz=-0.00026 +s=-0.00309 \                +dx=-0.0001 +dy=0.0005 +dz=0.0033 +drx=0 +dry=0 +drz=-2e-05 +ds=-0.00012 +t_epoch=2010 +convention=position_vector \
     +step +proj=set +v_4=2023 \
     +step +proj=helmert +drx=-0.000409 +dry=0.001047 +drz=-0.002169 +convention=position_vector +t_epoch=1993 \
     +step +inv +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80

 -139.57738390     -8.95161168    2.24071029     2023.0000

Even

Le 15/11/2022 à 17:16, Alain Orsoni a écrit :
Hello,

I’m trying to convert ITRF92 (epoch 93.0) coordinates to ITRF2014 epoch 2023.0. Having some 8 cms per year movement I expect some 2.4m difference in the coordinates.

I tried some syntaxes but did not understand clearly how (where) to indicate the epochs (initial and final) in my tests :

One test applied was :

echo -139.57736536  -8.95162075     2.234 2023.0 | cct +proj=pipeline +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80 +step +proj=helmert +x=-0.0154 +y=-0.0015 +z=0.0708 +rx=0 +ry=0 +rz=-0.00026 +s=-0.00309 +dx=-0.0001 +dy=0.0005 +dz=0.0033 +drx=0 +dry=0 +drz=-2e-05 +ds=-0.00012 +t_epoch=1993 +convention=position_vector +step +inv +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80

Which gave me
-139.5773658008   -8.9516192265        2.1701     2023.0000

As result. Difference much lower than expected representing some 20 cm variation from one epoch to the other.

I indicated the final epoch desired in my input and the initial epoch in the helmert transform. This is probably false, but I did not encounter this kind of indication in the documentation.

Where is the misunderstanding?

Thank you for any help,

Alain Orsoni

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