Hi Giovanni,

1. In general, we should still use the "true" material properties since 
they have physics meanings. In my opinion, in DEM simulations, Young's 
modulus, CoR, grain shape and such, should be obtained from the grains in 
use and their material, not the other way around. However, if using true 
properties is too numerically challenging or does not give some bulk 
properties we wanted, or some physics properties are just not available, we 
could relax/tune some of them. To start off, I suggest just hand-tune it: 
Try reproducing the experiments that show friction angles, viscosity etc. 
(one of the demos is the repose angle test, and maybe we should add a 
flowrate demo too...) with DEM-Engine, then run them with your educated 
estimation of material properties, then measure the bulk properties in 
question (for example, see line 224 in the ConePenetration demo to see how 
bulk density is measured). Change the grain properties then repeat the 
process to understand how the bulk properties change w.r.t. them, until you 
have satisfactory bulk properties. For the properties you are interested 
in, Young's modulus and CoR and nu are probably minor, and *mu, rolling 
resistance (Crr), grain mass and grain shape* are probably more impactful. 
Just a suggestion: Even if you are using DEM particles much larger than 
true powder grains, try to use clump particle shapes that sort of resemble 
the powder grain shape (or at least somewhat deviant from pure spheres), 
because the particles shape is probably very impactful but less easy to 
alter between simulations.

Of course, if you have many material properties to tune and many bulk 
properties to match, it is possible to automate the process using data 
science technologies. That would be a longer discussion. Usually educated 
estimates and a few trial runs work well for relatively simple physics like 
you are simulating.

2. If you just want to total force and total torque, then you can use *tracker 
*objects to get that information. You may look into the Centrifuge demo 
line 167 to see how contact acceleration and angular acceleration are 
extracted from an object (note it is acceleration, so to get force you need 
to multiply that by masses, as in the demo). You *Track *an object, then 
obtain information about the tracked object using the *tracker *handle. 
Force information can only be obtained from the simulation, the 
visualization tool can do nothing about it. 

However, if you would like all the forces pairs (maybe for example, when 
you need to do structure deformation co-simulation), you have two choices. 
One is that you write contact pairs to files. See an example in the 
GRCPrep_Part1 demo line 167, *WriteContactFile *method. You will have the 
locations and forces of all the contacts. You should extract the "SM" type 
of contacts only, that is the sphere--mesh contacts. The second choice is 
doing something like in the FlexibleMesh demo (it's a new demo and you may 
need to check out the newest version), line 253, use a tracker to get all 
force pairs concerning a tracked object. The benefit of that is you get the 
locations and forces as C++ vectors directly, so you may use it directly in 
your script for other purposes. It makes more sense to visualize pairwise 
forces too (for example using Paraview Glyph), should you need a force 
visualization like in one of DEME's frontpage GIFs. But based on your 
description you probably just need a total torque.

Let me know if there is anything else,
Ruochun

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:22:24 AM UTC-5 Giovanni Bianchi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a new user of Chrono and DEM-Engine, and I am trying to simulate a 
> mixer for powders using DEM-Engine. However, I have some issues:
>
> 1) How can I calibrate the contact properties between particles to obtain 
> specific bulk properties of the material? I have measured friction angle, 
> viscosity, bulk density, and cohesion, but I don't know how to translate 
> them into the contact properties needed for a DEM simulation, such as the 
> Young module, coefficient of restitution, friction coefficient, and so on.
>
> 2) I am building my simulation starting from the DEMO_mixer, and I am 
> using Paraview to visualize the results. Referring to this demo, I managed 
> to see the particles and their velocity, but I would like to calculate the 
> forces acting on the blades and the moment about the rotation axis. Do you 
> have any suggestions on how to do it with Paraview or with any other 
> software? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giovanni
>
>
>

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