On 19 Nov 2004, at 15:29, Anil Selvak wrote:
>
> Lagak si yesus ini seolah kristen itu lemah lembut berkasih
> kasihan melulu, sama seperti dongeng pengantar bobok yang selama
> ini didengarnya, apa dia tidak melihat masa lalu dan masa kini
> dimana kristen adalah biang pemabantai dan manusia paling biadab
> yang pernah dikenal, contoh ringan bagaimana biadab dan bengisnya
> kristen membantai ummat islam saat perang salib dengan tanpa belas
> kasihan,
Dan kesalahan ini telah diakui oleh Paus....
Dan orang Islam yang dungu dan dengki masih saja memamah biak
argumen ini.
rajin rajinlah mebaca posting rekan forza islam agar
> melek dikit mata anda itu, dan mulailah berpoikir realitis coy sus!
>
Plung!
Dan, bak ikan lele dibawah kakus, Anil Selvakpun langsung
melahapnya!
> "yesus_tuhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> kalo dari awalnya damai, gak pake perang,lalu di paksa merendahkan
> diri dan menerima, itu ok....
> tapi memang doyan perang...kelakuang gangster, waktu kepepet
> merendah...itukan contoh pengecut yang gampang jadi kecut
> hehehe
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "efy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > saya cukup heran dgn rekan kristen...disatu pihak bilang..."tuhan
> rela merendahkan dirinya bla..bla..bla"...tapi saat nabi Muhammad
> mengalah demi menghindari pertumpahan darah dan menggapai
> kemenangan...malah dibilang pengecut....ingkar tuhan dll
> > tapi...kalo nabi Muhammad memaksakan perang....langsung
> dah....barbar...maniak perang...bengis dll....heran...not finish
> thingking dah gua...maunya gimana??lagian baca dulu dah
> ceritanya...jangan asala komen dulu pak!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Agung Purnomo
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [islamkristen] muhammad yg pengecut
> >
> >
> > rumuskan aja dulu.. nanti saya bisa cek sendiri.. jgn kuatir..
> >
> > pak...kalimat dihadang/kalah kuat memang tidak ada ditulisan
> itu.. kita lihat dong kapasitas Muhammad itu siapa.. dia kan nabi,
> punya akses langsung dg Tuhan, seruannya di dengar Tuhan.. Dia tunduk
> utk menghapuskan jatidirinya sbg seorg nabi? Dengan mengingkari
> dirinya sbg nabi, berarti dia mengingkari Tuhan yg menunjuk dia...
> Kalo ngga kalah kuat, kenapa dong dia tunduk? Tapi lagian, mengalah
> untuk menang.. iya ngga?
> >
> > seharusnya dia mati martir disitu atau Tuhan intervensi
> langsung... Begitu Tuhan bekerja di bbrp cerita di Perjanjian Lama...
> bangsa Israel sering kalah jumlah, tapi Tuhan bekerja melalui nabinya
> atau orang yg takut kpd-Nya, shg menang... atau kadang2 Tuhan
> menghukum bangsa Israel dg memenangkan musuh mereka...
> >
> > Guru kung-fu sih bilang, kalo ngga bisa menang sekarang
> mendingan
> kabur, besok2 baru ajak duel lagi... tau Tokugawa Ieyasu, orang yg
> mempersatukan seluruh Jepang... nah dia dari propinsi kecil, kalah
> kuat, tapi dia pintar nego, tapi akhirnya menguasai seluruh Jepang...
> >
> > tapi Muhammad bukan guru kung-fu/Ieyasu, dia nabi... atau karena
> gado-gado, dia jd bingung.... pd saat mendpt tekanan, karakter
> aslinya keluar...
> >
> >
> > efy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > he..he...agar pak agung banyak mengenal Islam..sebaiknya bapak
> baca sendiri aja di buku-buku sejarah islam ..banyak kok di toko
> buku....biar fair gitu pak..entar dikira pake versi saya
> lagi.....biar tidak ada intervensi gitu...bahwa bapak memang belajar
> langsung tanpa pengaruh ataupun cerita-cerita versi saya..
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Agung Purnomo
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [islamkristen] muhammad yg pengecut
> >
> >
> > gimana ceritanya menurut perjanjian hudaibiyah?
> >
> > efy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > mana kalimat yg menyatakan muhammad dihadang ditengah
> jalan?
> kalah kuat?tau gak sih sejarahnya perjanjian hudaibiyah?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: batara guru
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [islamkristen] muhammad yg pengecut
> >
> >
> > dlm perjalanan dari medinah ke mekkah, muhamad dihadang
> di tengah jalan oleh orang quraish. krn kalah kuat, maka muhammad
> terpaksa menandatangani perjanjian yg membuktikan kepengecutannya sbb:
> >
> > 1. muhammad terpaksa mencoret nama ar rahman
> >
> > 2. muhammad terpaksa mencopot gelar nabinya
> >
> > 3. muhammad menjual kawan seperjuangannya ke musuh demi
> keselamatan dirinya
> >
> >
> > siapakah allah yg juga dikenal musyrikun quraish tsb, tp
> yg bukan ar rahman itu? allah itu salah satu idol dr 360 idol di
> kaabah, yaitu hubal
> >
> >
> > dari "The Treaty of Hudaybia"
> http://www.geocities.com/islam2die4/Muhammad/hudaybia.htm
> >
> > kutipan dr "Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum" by Saifur Rahman al
> Mubarikpuri:
> >
> > Some dispute arose with regard to the preamble. For
> example, when the agreement was to be committed to writing, 'Ali bin
> Abi Talib, who acted as a scribe began with the words: Bismillâh ir-
> Rahman ir-Raheem, i.e., "In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent,
> the Most Merciful" but the Makkan plenipotentiary, Suhail bin 'Amr
> declared that he knew nothing about Ar-Rahman and insisted upon the
> customary formula Bi-ismika Allâhumma, i.e., "In Your Name, O Allâh!"
> The Muslims grumbled with uneasiness but the Prophet agreed. He then
> went on to dictate, "This is what Muhammad, the Messenger of Allâh
> has agreed to with Suhail bin 'Amr." Upon this Suhail again
> protested: "Had we acknowledged you as Prophet, we would not have
> debarred you from the Sacred House, nor fought against you. Write
> your own name and the name of your father." The Muslims grumbled as
> before and refused to consent to the change. The Prophet, however, in
> the larger interest of Islam, attached no importance to such an
> insignificant detail, erased the words himself, and dictated
> instead: "Muhammad, the son of 'Abdullah." Soon after this treaty,
> Khuza'a clan, a former ally of Banu Hashim, joined the ranks of
> Muhammad, and Banu Bakr sided with Quraish.
> >
> >
> > It was during this time while the treaty was being
> written that Abu Jandal, Suhail's son, appeared on the scene. He was
> brutally chained and was staggering with privation and fatigue. The
> Prophet and his Companions were moved to pity and tried to secure his
> release but Suhail was adamant and said: "To signify that you are
> faithful to your contract, an opportunity has just arrived." The
> Prophet said: "But the treaty was not signed when your son entered
> the camp." Upon this, he burst forth and said, "but the terms of the
> treaty were agreed upon." It was indeed an anxious moment. On the one
> hand, Abu Jandal was lamenting at the top of his voice, "Am I to be
> returned to the polytheists that they might entice me from my
> religion, O Muslims!" but, on the other hand, the faithful engagement
> was also considered to be necessary, above all other considerations.
> The Prophet's heart welled up with sympathy, but he wanted to honour
> his word at all costs. He consoled Abu Jandal and said, "Be patient,
> resign yourself to the Will of Allâh. Allâh is going to provide for
> you and your helpless companions relief and means of escape. We have
> concluded a treaty of peace with them and we have taken the pledge in
> the Name of Allâh. We are, therefore, under no circumstances prepared
> to break it." 'Umar bin Al-Khattab could not help giving vent to the
> deep-seated agony of his heart. He rose to his feet uttering words
> implying deep hatred and extreme indignation and requested Abu Jandal
> to take his sword and kill Suhail, but the son spared his father.
> However, in silent resignation was therefore, Abu Jandal borne away
> with his chains.
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