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On 28 Dec 2004, at 7:51, laurent wrote:
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>
> Aramaic, the language of the Arameans��.. (The Arameans or Aramaeans (also
> called Syriacs) were a Semitic, nomadic people who dwelt in Aram-Naharaim or
> "Aram of the two rivers," also known as Mesopotamia a region including modern
> Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and parts of Iran that is mentioned
six times in the Hebrew Bible. The specific "two rivers" are variously
identified by various scholars, though one of the rivers is generally the
Euphrates. The compilers of the Jewish Encyclopedia
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1701&letter=A , in 1901/8 did
not find the name in
Babylonian or Assyrian inscriptions, but identified it with Nahrima in three
tablets of the Amarna letters.)����.
>
>
> has been spoken in the Levant and Mesopotamia , (Aramaic "Aram Beth-Nahreen"
> or "Aram-Naharaim ") from perhaps 700 BC Centuries: until the present day It
> is a member of the Semitic languages group.
>
>
>
> Today Aramaic is spoken among about 500,000 nativespeakers
>
> http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=950 (with varying degrees of
> fluency) in scattered communities across the Fertile Crescent . There are
> 15,000 speakers in three Syrian villages in the Qalamoun Mountains north of
> Damascus (Ma'aloula, Bakh`a, Jubb`adin), but most speakers live in
the area often termed Kurdistan
>
> in English, from Lake Urmia to Hakkari - and even in the USA by Syriacs
> (also known as Assyro-Chaldeans and Maronites) immigrants from this area. A
> few live in Mesopotamia proper (called in Aramaic Bethnahrin).
>
> Aramaic is used in many Jewish holy texts and some Jewish prayers. Some of
> the parts of the Hebre
w Bible. (two words in Genesis 31:47, Jeremiah 10:11, Daniel 2:4b-7:28, and
Ezra 4:8-6:18 and 7:12
-26,) and the Zohar are written in Aramaic, and so is most of the Kaddish
prayer. Most of the Gem
ara section of the Babylonian Talmud is written in Eastern Aramaic, while
comparable sections in t
he Jerusalem Talmud are written in Western Aramaic.
>
> Aramaic is divided into two groups: Western and Eastern.
>
> � Western - this group is extinct as a spoken language and included
> Nabataean (extinct, sp
oken in parts of Arabia, Palmyrenean (extinct, spoken in Palmyra, Syria and
adjoining regions), a
nd Palestinian-Christian and Judeo-Aramean. A Western Aramaic dialect was the
spoken language in Ro
man Judea in Jesus's time, as quotes given in the Greek Gospels show
http://www.aramaicnt.org/index
.php?PAGE=RutgersProject&controlpanel=greekscript.
>
> Example:
>
> A few religious groups such as the monks of Mar Sarkis and some isolated
> followers of the Assyria
n Church still use languages of this group for liturgical purposes. Rev.
William Fulco reconstructe
d the Aramaic of Jesus for the film script of The Passion of the Christ (2004).
>
> Eastern - this group includes Syriac, Mandaic, and Neo-Assyrian (not
> Akkadian Assyrian) dialec
ts/languages. Some of these are still spoken in a few villages in Syria,
notably Ma'loula, Qamishli
, etc., Lebanon, Iraq, Georgia, USA, Australia, Canada, Armenia, etc. Some
Jewish speakers of Arama
ic have immigrated to Israel and Los Angeles. The Jews are most likely of
Assyrian heritage, but ad
opted the Jewish faith. There is an annual convention of native Aramaic
speakers in Los Angeles. Th
e Aramaic version of the Christian Bible is in the Syriac dialect, and a sample
can be found in the
article on the Lord's Prayer.
>
> Many linguists are currently working on modern spoken Aramaic, such as
> Geoffrey Khan, Yona Sabar,
and Otto Jastrow. A professor at the University of California, Los Angeles is
currently working on
a dictionary of modern spoken Aramaic.
> Biblical Connections
> Aramaic was the language of the area once known as "Aram-Naharaim" or 'Aram
> of the two rivers', f
rom whence derives the Biblical tradition that the Aramaeans were descendants
of two Nahors (Abram'
s grandfather and Abram's brother): Nahor1 > Terah > Nahor2 > Kemuel > Aram ->
Aramaeans). They are
regarded by Hebrews as one of their closest relative nations and with them
share the title "Childr
en of Eber" from Genesis 10:21. In Deuteronomy 26:5 Jews are taught to remember
that Jacob was prac
tically Aramaean with a grandmother, mother and wives from Naharaim. They are
descendants of Shem,
from whom the Aramaic word She-maa-yaa (Semitic) is derived, but Aram of the
two Nahors, though a d
escendant of Shem, is not to be confused with Aram the son of Shem.
>
> The theory relating "Naharaim" to "Nahor" is problematic, as the word for
> 'river' and the name "N
ahor", while identically spelled in English, are spelled differently in the
original. "Aram-Naharai
m", or 'Aram of the Rivers', is so called because it sits on the northern
reaches of the Tigris and
Euphrates rivers.
>
> Further, "Hebrews" means 'Children of Eber', among other possible meanings,
> so there would not be
'Children of Eber' who are related to the Hebrews.
>
> Finally, all four of Jacob's grandparents were Arameans, and his mother was
> raised there as well.
>
>
> Jusfiq Hadjar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ni orang yang membual tentang kamera yang dipasang dikamar hotel
> di Eropa untuk dilaporkanke polisi, sekarang ngibul lagi.
>
> Dia bilang: "Bahasa aramic hanyalah bualan orang kristen ... "
>
>
> On 28 Dec 2004, at 13:24, ahmad_jatim wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Bahasa aramic hanyalah bualan orang kristen
> > Aneh juga mengapa bahasa Aramaik tidak dijadikan pelajaran bagi para
> > calon pastur , toh masih ada native speaker dari desa terpencil di
> > Timur tengah
> >
> > Kesimpulannya ya itu tadi , bahasa itu sekarang sudah musnah
> > Jusfiq paling paling hanya pernah dengar bahasa ibrani seperti ini :
> >
> > lolot qifsuj, obek kayak
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jusfiq Hadjar"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Harap cari berita di website BBC yang menjelaskan bahwa bahasa
> > > Aramaik ini MASIH dipakai di berapa desa di Timur Tengah.
> > >
> > > Tidak banyak memang, tapi masih ada orang yang bicara bahasa
> > > Aramaik.
> > >
> > > Saya pernah mendengarnya..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 Dec 2004, at 9:05, laurent wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Laurent: Gimana sih anda ini, pernyataannya kok berubah rubah
> > kayak cuaca di london.
> > > >
> > > > email sebelumnya menulis:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tawangalun:
> > > >
> > > > Tapi mukjizat yang bisa dirasakan umatnya ialah Quran.Coba baca
> > postingku
> > > > No.16751,16752,16753 dan 16754.Bayangkan kok semua bahasanya
> > kitab
> > > > suci sudah pada musnah semua,tinggal satu bahasanya Quran yang
> > masih
> > > > dipakai bahasa sehari hari.Lainnya bahasa Aramaic Yesus sudah
> > > > mati,begitu pula bahasanya Tri Pitaka,bahasanya Sidharta gautama
> > > > dll.Peninggalan kenabian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > email dibawah ini menulis lain lagi.:
> > > >
> > > > Oh ya bahasanya wong Israel sekarang ini beda dengan
> > > > Aramicnya yesus.Kaya bahasa jawa sekarang beda dengan Majapahit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Laurent
> > > >
> > > > Pertama kamu mempermasalahkan bahasa di Kitab Suci. Kitab Taurat
> > sampai sekarang memakai bahasa I
> > > brani. Israel sekarang ini masih pake bahasa Ibrani. Sekarang anda
> > mempermasalahkan bahwa orang yah
> > > udi tidak memakai bahasa aramic. Cobalah belajar sejarah dulu deh
> > mas. Knapa pada jaman Yesus, baha
> > > sa sehari hari memakai Aramic.
> > > >
> > > > Apakah kamu mempunyai bukti bahwa bahasa Aramic jaman yesus tidak
> > sama dengan bahasa Aramic sekar
> > > ang???? Punya bukti atau asal cuap?????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tawangalun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Laurent:
> > > > > Kalau memang sudah di alihkan kepada Ismael 2 abad sebelumnya.
> > > > Apakah masih cocok parable itu? Dimanakah bangsa Israel?
> > Dimanakah
> > > > kitab suci ( menurut anda ) Dimanakah para nabi yang di bunuh,
> > > > dimanakah anak allah yang di bunuh? Anda tidak dapat mengatakan
> > bahwa
> > > > pengalihan terjadi pada masa Muhamad. Sesuai dengan teori anda
> > > > pengalihan sudah terjadi pada masa Ismael.
> > > >
> > > > Tawangalun:
> > > > Penggarap yang semula adalah bani Ishak jadi penggarap berikutnya
> > > > adalah Bani Ismail.Mana mungkin saya bilang Pasca Yesus
> > penggarap
> > > > dialihkan ke ismail wong beliau sudah was dead,tapi kalau
> > > > keturunannya masuk akal,kalau penggantian Presiden bisa 5 tahun
> > > > sekali tapi kalau penggantian Nabi bisa butuh beberapa
> > generasi.jadi
> > > > Ismail itu cocok untuk yang diusir menurut istilahmu kalau
> > istilah
> > > > saya dibuang.
> > > >
> > > > > Lalu apa maksud Yesus menyatakan parabale itu? Bukankah hal itu
> > > > telah terjadi.
> > > > Tawangalun:
> > > > Yesus itu pengin memberikan cemesan kepada High Priest dan
> > petinggi
> > > > Yahudi yang sudah sering kali mau menjebak beliau agar kalau
> > salah
> > > > jawabnya mau dilaporkan ke penguasa Romawi.
> > > > > Laurent:
> > > > > Anda nih lulusan mana sih? Kalau Alkitab cocok dengan Alquran
> > maka
> > > > itu adalah benar firman Tuhan, kalau berbeda maka Al quran yang
> > > > benar. Teori dari mana sih?
> > > > Tawangalun:
> > > > Kitab Suci itu adalah U.U dimana kalau sudah terbit U.U. baru
> > segala
> > > > yang bertentangan dengan yang terbaru dianggap batal.Kalau anda
> > mau
> > > > susah sedikit ambilah pena tulis discendant dari Daud sampai ke
> > Yesus
> > > > yang dua versi itu,yang selalu dibilang garis maria dan garis
> > Bapak
> > > > padahal nyatane bukan .Nanti hitung berapa tingkat dari yesus ke
> > > > Daud,terus silsilah versi satunya silahkan hitung nanti kan
> > beda.Nah
> > > > itu menandakan beberapa ayat memang sudah diragukan kebenarannya
> > saya
> > > > ini tidak gawe2,saya adalah orang pencari kebenaran.Hukumnya Musa
> > > > (Torat)begitu datang Hukumnya Dawud(Zabur) yo harus ngalah,begitu
> > > > datang Injil yo harus Injil yang dipakai.La saya harus pakai
> > edisi
> > > > terbaru Quran,soale saya yakin tangan jahil yang suka ngowahi
> > ayat
> > > > itu ada.Coba orang tua itu kan walaupun pernah selingkuh anaknya
> > kan
> > > > nggak dikandani ben anaknya jadi wong apik.La Perjanjian lama itu
> > > > dari Tuhan mau memberi teladan via Nabinya kok do ra genah
> > kabeh.Opo
> > > > ya kamu percaya kalau masih original dari Tuhan?
> > > >
> > > > >Sekelumit Kuliah buat anda.
> > > > > Orang orang muslim yang awam menduga bahwa Alquran yang turun
> > > > belkangan itu justru yang harus dianggap paling benar bila
> > terjadi
> > > > kontrakdiksi antara Al kitab dan Al quran. Mereka mempersamakan
> > hal
> > > > ini dengan temuan temuan ilmiah yang paling akhir mengkoreksi
> > yang
> > > > awal. Persamaan itu jelas keliru karena yang dapat di koreksi
> > adalah
> > > > hal hal yang belum pasti kebenarannya ( sekalipun ilmiah ).
> > > >
> > > > Tawangalun:
> > > > Thanks kuliahnya,tapi denger bahwa sudah kukatakan diatas Kitab
> > suci
> > > > itu ibarat UU dari Tuhan bukan karya ilmiah orang,opo anda mau
> > > > dikatakan Perjanjian Baru itu bukan dari Tuhan? UU jaman Bung
> > Karno
> > > > mungkin sudah banyak yang tak berlaku sekarang.Allah hanya
> > menjamin
> > > > Quran yang tidak akan ada perubahan sampai kiamat tapi Hadits
> > nggak
> > > > ada jaminan makane banyak yang palsu juga.Ada firman yang
> > menjamin
> > > > bahwa Allah menjaga:Al-Hijr 15:9.Kami yang menurunkan Al-Quran
> > dan
> > > > Kami pula yang menjaganya.Setahu saya Injil gak ada ayat jaminan
> > > > seperti tsb.Oh ya bahasanya wong Israel sekarang ini beda dengan
> > > > Aramicnya yesus.Kaya bahasa jawa sekarang beda dengan Majapahit.
> > > > Tawangalun.
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