Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong itilnya itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu.
From: safin _blanc <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. > >lu memang tukang fitnah. > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg bahagia.. >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini,... >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. > >kasihaaaannn... > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, berarti lu >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah disunat >> belum itilnya? >> >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus itu ga >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat iblis, spt >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, cewek yg >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >> >> >> From: safin _blanc <[email protected]> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, dan >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita tetangganya >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. ngesek itu >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >> > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas islam dan >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> > >> > >> > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >> >> >> >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >> >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, where an >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit on a low >> wooden >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something…I screamed out in >> pain," >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. >> >> >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good fight" before >> she >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being taken to the >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went there while >> >> bathing!" >> >> >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their daughters undergo >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), the Dawoodi >> >> Bohras’ best-kept secret until young women from the community first >> began >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >> >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit community, >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and estimated to number >> two >> >> million the world over. >> >> >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly ‘Outlook’ >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace back to >> their >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because they see this >> as >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >> >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women and men even >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than question a >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a woman’s >> >> body." >> >> >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure that >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for non-medical >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may involve >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >> >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in some Middle >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or mutilation. African >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central African >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya and Egypt. >> >> >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is done with >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a woman’s sexual >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >> >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it as a way of >> >> controlling women. >> >> >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of Obstetricians and >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a community as >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this practice. >> >> >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip (of the >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the woman of sexual >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >> >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, finds no >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no religious >> scholar, >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, I’d suggest the >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason so that >> they >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >> >> >> "Why do women’s sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider asks. "Women >> who >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she says. >> >> >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes by the name >> of >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online petition asking >> >> the community’s high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, to have >> this >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >> >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is based in the >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric ritual has no >> place >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His Holiness >> to >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a minority >> among >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get their >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the community’s high >> >> priest. >> >> >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be some goodness >> in >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia Mohammad, 38, >> mother >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >> >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and "barbaric", >> but >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe manner >> today >> >> by doctors." >> >> >> >> She was present for all of her daughters’ circumcisions. "It takes less >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local anaesthesia. >> Just a >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. >> >> >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite except what was >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is unclean and >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >> >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information circulating >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the community with >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. >> >> >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next generation. They >> will >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she says of a >> rite >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >> >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all strata of Bohra >> >> society. "I’d say 90 percent practise it." >> >> >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because "it’s >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was seven by her >> >> grandmother’s doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this ritual >> perpetuates >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >> >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life for getting >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have friends who >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On the other >> hand, >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >> >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child’s clitoris gives me >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. She refuses >> to >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the right age >> band >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >> >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated forum for >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very first time, >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >> >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the media got >> into >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking about their >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange from India. >> >> >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. "I will keep >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is the first step >> >> towards solving the problem." >> >> >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, only time will >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition will make a >> >> difference. 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