Jadi lu ga keberatan dgn sunat itil cewek, hehehe... Emang tuh, orang Islam plus plus itu bajingan semuanya.
From: safin _blanc <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 6:00 PM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > >..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak pernah >denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini gw,.. >..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... > > >tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini, urusan >begini aja jadi besar.. >ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti titit lu yg >sontoloyo.... > > > > > >On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong itilnya >> itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >> >> >> >> >> From: safin _blanc <[email protected]> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> > >> >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >> >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >> > >> >lu memang tukang fitnah. >> > >> >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg bahagia.. >> >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini,... >> >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >> > >> >kasihaaaannn... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, berarti lu >> >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah disunat >> >> belum itilnya? >> >> >> >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus itu ga >> >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat iblis, >> spt >> >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, cewek >> yg >> >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: safin _blanc <[email protected]> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> >> >> > >> >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, dan >> >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita tetangganya >> >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> >> > >> >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. ngesek >> itu >> >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >> >> > >> >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas islam dan >> >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >> >> >> >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, where an >> >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit on a low >> >> wooden >> >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something…I screamed out in >> >> pain," >> >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good fight" before >> >> she >> >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being taken to >> the >> >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went there >> while >> >> >> bathing!" >> >> >> >> >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their daughters >> undergo >> >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), the >> Dawoodi >> >> >> Bohras’ best-kept secret until young women from the community first >> >> began >> >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit >> community, >> >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and estimated to >> number >> >> two >> >> >> million the world over. >> >> >> >> >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly >> ‘Outlook’ >> >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace back to >> >> their >> >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because they see >> this >> >> as >> >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >> >> >> >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women and men >> even >> >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than question a >> >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a woman’s >> >> >> body." >> >> >> >> >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure that >> >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for >> non-medical >> >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may involve >> >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >> >> >> >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in some >> Middle >> >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or mutilation. >> African >> >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central African >> >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya and Egypt. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is done >> with >> >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a woman’s >> sexual >> >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >> >> >> >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it as a way >> of >> >> >> controlling women. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of Obstetricians and >> >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a >> community as >> >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this practice. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip (of the >> >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the woman of >> sexual >> >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >> >> >> >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, finds no >> >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no religious >> >> scholar, >> >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, I’d suggest >> the >> >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason so that >> >> they >> >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >> >> >> >> >> "Why do women’s sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider asks. "Women >> >> who >> >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she says. >> >> >> >> >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes by the >> name >> >> of >> >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online petition >> asking >> >> >> the community’s high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, to have >> >> this >> >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >> >> >> >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is based in >> the >> >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric ritual has no >> >> place >> >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His >> Holiness >> >> to >> >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a minority >> >> among >> >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get their >> >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the community’s >> high >> >> >> priest. >> >> >> >> >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be some >> goodness >> >> in >> >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia Mohammad, 38, >> >> mother >> >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and "barbaric", >> >> but >> >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe manner >> >> today >> >> >> by doctors." >> >> >> >> >> >> She was present for all of her daughters’ circumcisions. "It takes >> less >> >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local anaesthesia. >> >> Just a >> >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. >> >> >> >> >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite except what >> was >> >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is unclean and >> >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >> >> >> >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information >> circulating >> >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the community with >> >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next generation. They >> >> will >> >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she says of a >> >> rite >> >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >> >> >> >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all strata of >> Bohra >> >> >> society. "I’d say 90 percent practise it." >> >> >> >> >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because "it’s >> >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was seven by >> her >> >> >> grandmother’s doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this ritual >> >> perpetuates >> >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >> >> >> >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life for >> getting >> >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have friends >> who >> >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On the other >> >> hand, >> >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >> >> >> >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child’s clitoris gives >> me >> >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. She >> refuses >> >> to >> >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the right age >> >> band >> >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >> >> >> >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated forum for >> >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very first >> time, >> >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the media got >> >> into >> >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking about >> their >> >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange from >> India. >> >> >> >> >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. "I will >> keep >> >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is the first >> step >> >> >> towards solving the problem." >> >> >> >> >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, only time >> will >> >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition will make >> a >> >> >> difference. "They (community leaders) may eventually break their >> silence >> >> >> and give a plausible answer." >> >> >> >> >> >> (END) >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Post message: [email protected] >> >> >Subscribe : [email protected] >> >> >Unsubscribe : [email protected] >> >> >List owner : [email protected] >> >> >Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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