Hehehe... si rezameutia ini sedang nunjukin kegoblokannya, ga tau kepinteran babi.
From: rezameutia <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:00 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Babi itu binatang pintar dan berotak, orang Islam kagak berotak. Jadi jangan >> ngehina babi dgn nyamain orang Islam dgn babi. >>  > >hahaha... > >gw ampe ketawa kelojotan di lantai denger si item bilang babi binatang pinter. >pantesan elu doyan makan babi, karena nurut lu makan babi bisa bikin pinter >kayak babi gitu ya? > >btw, nurut elu babi ama elu pinteran mana tem?! kayaknya pinteran babi, >makanya elu doyan makan babi supaya elu bisa pinter kayak babi. kalo gitu, elu >termasuk kanibal dong tem. babi makan babi. hahaha... > >gw baru denger nih ada orang sedemikian gobloknya ini, bilang babi binatang >pinter. terus terang nih tem, elu satu2nya orang yang sedemikian gobloknya >mengatakan bahwa babi binatang pinter. selama hidup gw, nggak pernah gw denger >omongan sebego elu. > >pantesan si item bisa pacaran ama si jusfiq junkie tua yang pantatnya keriput >dan kontolnya udah peot. udah abis dah si item dikibulin ama si junkie tua >jusfiq. gw kagak heran dah, emang si item begonya kelewatan sih.. > >gw sih kesian banget ama ibu lu tem, kok bisa melahirkan dan punya anak yang >gobloknya kelewata seperti elu. entah, ibu lu dikutuk setan atau diperkosa >setan sehingga bisa punya anak yang segoblok elu. > >>  >> >> From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:41 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. >> > >> >Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia itu >> >"fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " >> > >> >Edan. >> > >> > >> >--- In [email protected], safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> wrote: >> >> >> >> .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. >> >> .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... >> >> .. disertai bukti.. >> >> >> >> .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. >> >> .. >> >> >> >> Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or total >> >> removal of the external genitalia â€" undertaken for cultural or other >> >> non-medical reasons â€" often causing severe pain and sometimes resulting >> >> in >> >> prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. >> >> .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, sehingga orang yg >> >> bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... >> >> .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu jadikan >> >> referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa terjadi kalo >> >> caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak tahu malu >> >> nyebar pitnah.... >> >> >> >> .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? >> >> .. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@>wrote: >> >> >> >> > ** >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... >> >> > >> >> > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women >> >> > >> >> > --- In [email protected], safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak pernah >> >> > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini gw,.. >> >> > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini, >> >> > urusan >> >> > > begini aja jadi besar.. >> >> > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti titit lu >> >> > > yg >> >> > > sontoloyo.... >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > ** >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong >> >> > > > itilnya >> >> > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >> > > > >To: [email protected] >> >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >> >> > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg bahagia.. >> >> > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis >> >> > ini,... >> >> > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >kasihaaaannn... >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> ** >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, >> >> > berarti lu >> >> > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah >> >> > disunat >> >> > > > >> belum itilnya? >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus >> >> > > > >> itu >> >> > ga >> >> > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat >> >> > iblis, >> >> > > > spt >> >> > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, >> >> > cewek >> >> > > > yg >> >> > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >> > > > >> >To: [email protected] >> >> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >> > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, >> >> > > > >> >dan >> >> > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita >> >> > tetangganya >> >> > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. >> >> > ngesek >> >> > > > itu >> >> > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas >> >> > islam dan >> >> > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> ** >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >> > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, >> >> > where an >> >> > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit on >> >> > > > >> >> a >> >> > low >> >> > > > >> wooden >> >> > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something…I screamed >> >> > > > >> >> out >> >> > in >> >> > > > >> pain," >> >> > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good fight" >> >> > before >> >> > > > >> she >> >> > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being >> >> > > > >> >> taken >> >> > to >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went >> >> > there >> >> > > > while >> >> > > > >> >> bathing!" >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their daughters >> >> > > > undergo >> >> > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), the >> >> > > > Dawoodi >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the community >> >> > first >> >> > > > >> began >> >> > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit >> >> > > > community, >> >> > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and estimated >> >> > > > >> >> to >> >> > > > number >> >> > > > >> two >> >> > > > >> >> million the world over. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly >> >> > > > `Outlook' >> >> > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace >> >> > back to >> >> > > > >> their >> >> > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because they >> >> > see >> >> > > > this >> >> > > > >> as >> >> > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women and >> >> > > > >> >> men >> >> > > > even >> >> > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than >> >> > question a >> >> > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a >> >> > woman's >> >> > > > >> >> body." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure >> >> > > > >> >> that >> >> > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for >> >> > > > non-medical >> >> > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may >> >> > involve >> >> > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in >> >> > > > >> >> some >> >> > > > Middle >> >> > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or >> >> > > > >> >> mutilation. >> >> > > > African >> >> > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central >> >> > African >> >> > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya and >> >> > Egypt. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is >> >> > > > >> >> done >> >> > > > with >> >> > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a >> >> > > > >> >> woman's >> >> > > > sexual >> >> > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it >> >> > > > >> >> as a >> >> > way >> >> > > > of >> >> > > > >> >> controlling women. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of >> >> > Obstetricians and >> >> > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a >> >> > > > community as >> >> > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this >> >> > practice. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip >> >> > > > >> >> (of >> >> > the >> >> > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the woman >> >> > > > >> >> of >> >> > > > sexual >> >> > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, >> >> > > > >> >> finds >> >> > no >> >> > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no >> >> > religious >> >> > > > >> scholar, >> >> > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, I'd >> >> > suggest >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason >> >> > > > >> >> so >> >> > that >> >> > > > >> they >> >> > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider asks. >> >> > "Women >> >> > > > >> who >> >> > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she >> >> > > > >> >> says. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes by >> >> > the >> >> > > > name >> >> > > > >> of >> >> > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online >> >> > > > >> >> petition >> >> > > > asking >> >> > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, >> >> > > > >> >> to >> >> > have >> >> > > > >> this >> >> > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is >> >> > > > >> >> based >> >> > in >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric ritual >> >> > has no >> >> > > > >> place >> >> > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His >> >> > > > Holiness >> >> > > > >> to >> >> > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a >> >> > minority >> >> > > > >> among >> >> > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get >> >> > their >> >> > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the >> >> > > > >> >> community's >> >> > > > high >> >> > > > >> >> priest. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be some >> >> > > > goodness >> >> > > > >> in >> >> > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia Mohammad, >> >> > 38, >> >> > > > >> mother >> >> > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and >> >> > "barbaric", >> >> > > > >> but >> >> > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe >> >> > manner >> >> > > > >> today >> >> > > > >> >> by doctors." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' circumcisions. "It >> >> > takes >> >> > > > less >> >> > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local >> >> > anaesthesia. >> >> > > > >> Just a >> >> > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite except >> >> > what >> >> > > > was >> >> > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is >> >> > unclean and >> >> > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information >> >> > > > circulating >> >> > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the community >> >> > with >> >> > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next >> >> > > > >> >> generation. >> >> > They >> >> > > > >> will >> >> > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she >> >> > > > >> >> says >> >> > of a >> >> > > > >> rite >> >> > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all >> >> > > > >> >> strata >> >> > of >> >> > > > Bohra >> >> > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because >> >> > "it's >> >> > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was >> >> > > > >> >> seven >> >> > by >> >> > > > her >> >> > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this >> >> > > > >> >> ritual >> >> > > > >> perpetuates >> >> > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life >> >> > > > >> >> for >> >> > > > getting >> >> > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have >> >> > friends >> >> > > > who >> >> > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On >> >> > > > >> >> the >> >> > other >> >> > > > >> hand, >> >> > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's clitoris >> >> > gives >> >> > > > me >> >> > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. She >> >> > > > refuses >> >> > > > >> to >> >> > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the >> >> > > > >> >> right >> >> > age >> >> > > > >> band >> >> > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated >> >> > > > >> >> forum >> >> > for >> >> > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very >> >> > first >> >> > > > time, >> >> > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the >> >> > > > >> >> media >> >> > got >> >> > > > >> into >> >> > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking >> >> > > > >> >> about >> >> > > > their >> >> > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange >> >> > > > >> >> from >> >> > > > India. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. 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