wajar..wajar lah itu... nabi buta huruf mana ngarti urusan gerhana... lagian juga auloh koq kaga ngasih bocoran ke nabi ya soal gerhana ?.. apa auloh lagi sentimen ama nabi ? sekarang jadi dikatain elu dah tem... tapi kalo urusan cewe gw yakin nabi paling tau...hwakakakakak.....
2012/5/25 item abu <[email protected]> > ** > > > Nabi Islam ga tau apa2, termasuk soal gerhana shg nabi Islam nungging2 > waktu gerhana. Itu wajar? > > Nabi Islam bilang cewek msh bisa dibuntingin biarpun ngecretnya di luar, > itu wajar? > > Nabi Islam bilang ada obat di sayap lalat, apa itu wajar? > > Wajar aja, masalahnya, semua ocehan dan kelakuan nabi Islam itu jadi > sunnah yg hrs ditiru oleh orang Islam, termasuk orang jaman sekarang. Maka > orang Islam sekarang kepaksa jadi dungu bin idiot. > > > >________________________________ > > From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:43 PM > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > > > > > >Orang dahulu kala gak tahu apa2 wajar. Nah orang kekinian masih debil ! > Itulah yang harus dikasihani. > > > >--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >From: item abu <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 10:48 AM > > > > > > > >Hehehe... kafir jaman dulu jg pake upacara segala kalo ada gerhana, > ternyata nabi Islam jg. Itu sih cuma nunjukin nabi Islam itu ga ada bedanya > dgn orang jaman dulu, percaya takhayul dan ga tau apa2. > > > >>________________________________ > > > >> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > > > >>To: [email protected] > > > >>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:36 AM > > > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Berhubung jarang itulah; maka diadakan shalat gerhana; karena gerhana > juga yang disebut fenomena alam itu; yah termasuk salah satu program Tuhan. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--- On Wed, 23/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>From: item abu <[email protected]> > > > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > >>Received: Wednesday, 23 May, 2012, 11:56 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Kenapa nabi nungging2 waktu ada gerhana, padahal gerhana itu cuma > kebetulan aja bulan nutupin matahari dr pandangan seseorang di satu tempat > di bumi? > > > >> > > > >>Itu cuma nunjukin bhw nabi Islam itu ga lbh dr orang biasa yg sama ga > taunya dgn orang lain yg ketakutan ngeliat ada gerhana. > > > >> > > > >>>________________________________ > > > >> > > > >>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>>To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:15 AM > > > >> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>Itu karena menurut pikiran elo sendiri yang sering idiot ! maka > pikiranmu tidak lurus. > > > >> > > > >>>Makanya sekali item idiot abu; tetap saja abu idiot item > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>--- On Tue, 22/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 8:29 PM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>Hehehe.... jadi lu ngaku bhw nabi lu itu nungging2 kalo ada gerhana, > biarpun bukan waktu nungging2 yg 5x sehari. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>Lalu, knp nabi lu itu hrs nungging2 waktu gerhana cuma krn kebetulan > bulan menghalangi matahari dr tempat nabi lu itu? Kan krn nabi lu itu > ketakutan. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>Di tempat lain di bumi yg ga ngalami gerhana, orang akan cuek aja, krn > ga ada apa2 yg aneh. Artinya yg nungging2 waktu gerhana itu ga tau gerhana > itu apa lalu merasa ketakutan, heheheh.... > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>________________________________ > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:00 PM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>tapi bukan berarti pengecut kaya elo > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>--- On Tue, 22/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 11:23 AM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>Hehehe... apa nabi lu ga nungging2 waktu ada gerhana? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>________________________________ > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:19 AM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Si Debil ini berhubung memang sangat PENAKUT dan PENGECUT ! Maka > charakternya yang buruk itu diaPASTIkan bahwa semua orang juga akan sama > dengan si DEBIL ini ! Makanya sembarangan ngablak dan persis seperti > GONGGONGABN aning kena RABIES; yang menggonggong bukan paadaa waktu yang > tepat. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>kasiaan .............. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>--- On Mon, 21/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Received: Monday, 21 May, 2012, 4:09 PM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Kalo ada gerhana, orang Islam pada nungging krn nabinya jg nungging2 > waktu ada gerhana, kayaknya si nabi itu ketakutan 1/2 mati. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>________________________________ > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> From: Sunny <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:14 PM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Subject: [proletar] Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > http://epaper.tempo.co/PUBLICATIONS/KT/KT/2012/05/21/ArticleHtmls/Mengapa-Gerhana-Bisa-Membutakan-21052012013015.shtml?Mode=0# > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Mengapa Gerhana Bisa Membutakan? > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Penduduk di Amerika Serikat sebelah barat, Pasifik, dan sebagian > kawasan Asia memperoleh kesempatan untuk menyaksikan gerhana matahari > parsial pada Ahad waktu setempat. Peringatan untuk tidak melihat gerhana > secara langsung karena dapat membuat mata buta mungkin terlalu berlebihan, > tapi cahaya gerhana memang dapat merusak mata. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Kondisi itu dinamai dengan solar retinopathy, yang terjadi ketika > cahaya yang amat terang dari matahari membanjiri retina di belakang bola > mata. Retina adalah rumah sel-sel fotoreseptor yang membuat kita bisa > melihat. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Ketika mereka menerima stimulasi cahaya matahari secara berlebihan, > retina akan melepas luapan zat kimia komunikasi yang dapat merusak retina. > Kerusakan ini kerap tidak menyakitkan sehingga orang tidak menyadari apa > yang mereka lakukan terhadap penglihatannya. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Solar retinopathy terjadi karena memandang matahari secara langsung. > Ada beberapa orang yang dapat melakukannya cukup lama tanpa mengalami > sakit, tapi hal itu hanya terjadi sesekali. Jurnal medis mencatat, orang > yang dalam pengaruh obat dan memandang matahari terlalu lama dapat > menyebabkan kerusakan serius pada matanya. Sekte pemuja matahari juga > menjadi korban. Pada 1988, misalnya, ophthalmologist Italia merawat 66 > orang yang menderita solar retinopathy setelah melakukan ritual memandang > matahari. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Namun, pada saat gerhana matahari, lebih banyak orang yang berisiko > terkena penyakit ini. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Ketika matahari setengah tertutup bayangan bulan, bintang itu cukup > redup untuk dilihat secara langsung dan refleks pelindung, seperti mengedip > dan kontraksi pupil mata, kemungkinan tidak bekerja sekeras pada hari biasa. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Penelitian pada 1999, setelah fenomena gerhana matahari di Eropa, 45 > pasien solar retinopathy datang ke klinik di Leicester, Inggris, setelah > melihat gerhana. Lima di antaranya mengalami perubahan pada retinanya dan > 40 orang mengalami gejala retinopathy. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Dari kelompok yang mengalami gejala gangguan itu, 20 pasien > melaporkan nyeri pada mata, 20 lainnya mengalami masalah penglihatan. Tujuh > bulan kemudian, 12 orang yang mengalami masalah penglihatan dapat melihat > secara normal meski masih melihat bayangan berbentuk sabit dalam cahaya > redup. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>Studi kami menunjukkan, mayoritas pasien retinopathy gerhana tidak > mengalami buta total, kata peneliti dalam jurnal The Lancet pada 2001. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>LIVESCIENCE > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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