Hehehe.... mayoritas muslim Indonesia itu ga pake Quran dan sunnah sbg patokan mereka, goblok!
>________________________________ > From: pinpinyuliansyah <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:00 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women > > > >Dungu itu elo! > >Itu bedanya orang yang ngarti arti interpretasi kayak gw dan orang dungu >protestan busuk kayak elo. > >Syiah dan sunni terjadi karena adanya interpretasi yang berbeda terhadap >sumber yang sama : alquran & sunnah. Demikian juga protestan dan katolik >memiliki interpretasi yang tidaksama tentang ajaran yesus. > >Perbedaan interpretasi akan mengakibatkan perbedaan implementasi. > >Elo boleh boleh aja ngaku protestan, tapi interpretasi elo terhadap ajaran >alkitap telah membuat elo jadi manusia yang sangat busuk. Saya punya banyak >saudara penganut protestan yang berahlak mulia dan saya hormati. > >Jangan malu2 in yesus tem! > >Salam, >pinpin >islam protestan > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> > >> Dungu, patokan Islam itu adalah Quran dan sunnah, bukan mayoritas muslim >> indonesia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:34 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for >> >Women >> > >> > >> > >> >Mari bicara tentang iran . . . >> >Tanya sama mayoritas muslim indonesia : "apakah syiah itu sejalan dengan >> >ajaran islam? " orang2 sunni akan mengatakan adanya ncr atawa >> >ketidaksesuaian antara ajaran islam dengan syiah. Yang ngomong pasti ULAMA >> >sunni. Bukan ustad supergoblok yang bernama item >> > >> >masalah sertifikat iso lagi2 elo berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. >> >Sertifikat sama sertifikasi itu beda gobloooookkkkkk! >> > >> >Elo ikut kelas, elo dapat sertifikat. Tapi meskipun elo punya 1000 >> >sertifikat yang menerangkan elo pernah belajar iso, elo belum tentu dapet >> >sertifikasi dari badan akreditasi. >> > >> >Iso dan kompetitif? >> >Elo selalu berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. Iso 9001 itu sistem >> >dokumentasi bos . . .masalah kemampuan perusahaan untuk berkompetisi itu >> >urusan lain. >> > >> >Saya islam. >> >Saya suka protes karena islam mengajarka saya untuk kritis. >> > >> >Islam protestan jadinya. >> > >> >Elo kresten protestan ya? >> >Bikin aja lagi kresten protestan protestan >> > >> >masalah nama aja kok diributin. >> > >> >Kasihan. >> > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hehehe.... jadi lu bukan ulama Islam, tp lu bisa kaing2 bhw Saudi atau >> >> Iran itu ga ngeimplementasikan ajaran Islam. Betul2 dungu lu ini. >> >> >> >> >> >> Buat dpt sertifikat kibulan ISO sih ga ada susahnya, lu bayar aja unt >> >> ikut kelasnya, lalu lu dpt sertifikatnya. Ga ada yg perlu dibanggakan. >> >> >> >> Faktanya, implementasi ISO dll itu cuma akal2an unt nipuin duit dr >> >> perusahaan, hasilnya apa? Lihat aja perusahaan Indonesia, mana ada >> >> perusahaan yg betul2 kompetitif, bersih dan jujur? Itu hasil kerja lu? >> >> Omong kosong doang semuanya. >> >> >> >> >> >> Lu ga tau apa2 ttg ajaran islam, kalo lu mau ngarang bikin agama sendiri, >> >> jangan nyatut nama Islam dan jangan jg nyatut nama Protestan. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:21 AM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for >> >> >Women >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Lu tanya gue siapa? >> >> >Aku punya sertifikat kompetensi ISO 9001, pengalaman lebih dari 14 tahun >> >> >dalam bidang implementasi sistem manajemen dan -jelas- memiliki >> >> >kompetensi dalam hal penerapan dan audit serta pengembangan sistem >> >> >secara terus menerus dan berkesinambungan. >> >> > >> >> >Dalam hal implementasi klausul "kebersihan sebagian dari iman" maka >> >> >singapore, australia, jauh lebih islami dibanding iran atawa afganistan. >> >> > >> >> >Dalam hal implementasi "manusia yang paling baik adalah manusia yang >> >> >paling bermanfaat bagi manusia lain." maka albert einstein, bill gate, >> >> >thomas alfa edison, sidharta gautama, adalah jauh lebih islami dibanding >> >> >manusia2 najis berbaju gamis berjenggot panjang dan rajin shalat namun >> >> >pada saat bersamaan jago korupsi, senang makan harta anak yatim >> >> > >> >> >elo siapa tem? >> >> > >> >> >Nddak lebih dari penjaga game online yang dapet orderan untuk >> >> >memprovokasi dengan modal cut paste dengan bayaran sekian perak per klik. >> >> > >> >> >Manusia yang tiada guna. >> >> > >> >> >Sama seperti guru kamu yang di holland. Tak lebih dari sekedar sampah. >> >> > >> >> >Kasihan. >> >> > >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Emangnya, lu ini siapa shg bisa bilang ajaran Islam ga >> >> >> diimplementasikan di Iran, Afghan atau Arab Saudi? >> >> >> >> >> >> Lu ini kan cuma lulusan pesantren yg percaya kibulan kafir kayak >> >> >> Maurice Bucaille, lu bukan ulama Arab atau Iran yg udah belajar Islam >> >> >> selama puluhan thn. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> >> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:51 PM >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable >> >> >> >for Women >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Tem, kan elo yang bilang kalau arap saudi itu bukan negara islam. Kan >> >> >> >elo yang bilang itumah kerajaan keluarga saud . . . ! >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Afganistan dan iran negara islam? please deh . . . Saat rasul >> >> >> >ditanya ya rasul, apakah madinah itu ? Rasul menjawab madinah adalah >> >> >> >tempat dimana ajran islam itu tegak (terimplementasi) >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Tempat dalam konteks negara yang telah relative berhasil >> >> >> >mengaplikasikan ajaran islam tentang kebersihan adalah sebagian dari >> >> >> >iman diantaranya singapore . . . Ostrali. . . Brunei . . >> >> >> > >> >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gua yakin si arra_s pasti pengen setengah mati unt hidup di negara >> >> >> >> Islam spt Iran atau Arab Saudi. Atau mungkin Afghanistan adalah >> >> >> >> tempat yg paling ideal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women >> >> >> >> Wednesday, 08 August 2012 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The 935,000 applicants to Iranian >> >> >> >> universities for the next academic year face unprecedented gender >> >> >> >> discrimination in some study subjects. >> >> >> >> Mohabat News -- Rooz Online reports, New previously un-announced >> >> >> >> restrictions are barring >> >> >> >> women from pursuing certain university studies. Most of these >> >> >> >> academic >> >> >> >> programs are generally in the engineering fields which until last >> >> >> >> year >> >> >> >> were equally open to men and women. With the new regulations, some >> >> >> >> 77 >> >> >> >> specific academic fields at the graduate level will be denied to >> >> >> >> women >> >> >> >> in the country's 36 government universities. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From 28 to 30 June this year some 1 >> >> >> >> million and 660 thousand applicants took the national university >> >> >> >> entrance examinations in Iran. From amongst them over 935,000 of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> accepted applicants must announce their specific field of study to >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> national educational evaluation organization by August 13 and then >> >> >> >> wait >> >> >> >> for confirmation from the agency. Until a few days ago the wide >> >> >> >> participation of women in four groups: empirical sciences, the >> >> >> >> human >> >> >> >> sciences, the arts and foreign languages dominated the news. Today, >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> wide and unannounced gender discrimination is the news topic of the >> >> >> >> day. Responses to the new restrictions have been so extensive that >> >> >> >> even the >> >> >> >> Ministry of Education's academic evaluation organization has taken >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> position against it and it appears that a review and reversal of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> decision may be in the making. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The testing deputy of the organization >> >> >> >> rejected the gender discrimination at universities and said, >> >> >> >> "Because of some considerations, it is possible that through their >> >> >> >> annual tests >> >> >> >> certain universities may admit only men or women to certain >> >> >> >> academic >> >> >> >> fields, but this does not mean that student admission to these >> >> >> >> fields is restricted to a specific gender because other >> >> >> >> universities follow their own admission policies and applicants can >> >> >> >> apply to the same fields in >> >> >> >> other universities." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Seyed Jalal Tabatabai implicitly accepts the new decision of the >> >> >> >> universities. "The need to admit students to >> >> >> >> different fields is determined by universities and in principle >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> >> decision is made on the basis of the needs and necessities of >> >> >> >> society. >> >> >> >> Therefore, some fields in some years are only available to men or >> >> >> >> women," he said. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The director general for the spread of >> >> >> >> education at the ministry of science, research and technology >> >> >> >> however is more direct. "Universities draw up plans for the future >> >> >> >> of higher >> >> >> >> education in the provinces and other parts of the country on the >> >> >> >> basis >> >> >> >> of the results they obtain from the entrance exams and the state of >> >> >> >> higher education in the past. They also consider their capacity and >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> needs of society." Seyed Abolfazl Hassani added, "Some fields are >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> very suitable for women's nature such as agricultural machinery or >> >> >> >> mining, partly because of the hard work involved in them. Past >> >> >> >> experience shows that women do not become professionally active in >> >> >> >> these fields after they are admitted to these subjects and even >> >> >> >> after they >> >> >> >> graduate. This results in unemployment of graduates." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A few days after these remarks, however, the official was forced to >> >> >> >> change his position and said, "Letters have >> >> >> >> been sent to the heads of these universities to enquire about the >> >> >> >> reasons for their decision. This is because if a university decides >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> admit only men or women to specific academic programs, it must >> >> >> >> first >> >> >> >> establish the necessary infrastructure for such a gender >> >> >> >> separation." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hossein Tavakoli, the senior advisor to >> >> >> >> the entrance examination organization also announced that a new >> >> >> >> policy >> >> >> >> directive had been issued which states that a new coding system for >> >> >> >> academic subjects had been instituted in the organization which >> >> >> >> resolved the issue of gender restrictions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subjects OK Until Last Year, but Not Now >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Amid the corrections and announcements >> >> >> >> by officials, Mehr news agency looked into the manual on subject >> >> >> >> selection and concluded that the 36 universities do not carry >> >> >> >> master's >> >> >> >> graduate programs for women in 77 specific fields. Last year, these >> >> >> >> very universities had admitted women to the same subjects that are >> >> >> >> banned >> >> >> >> today. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For example, a university in Ardebil had 24 fields; one in Lorestan >> >> >> >> had 18 fields and the International School >> >> >> >> of Imam Khomeini had 15 fields had the most admittances only to men >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> these 77 fields. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Urban development engineering, urban >> >> >> >> development with a major in surveillance at 15 universities had the >> >> >> >> largest number of students reserved only for men. Following that >> >> >> >> came >> >> >> >> management and mining engineering programs in 12 universities which >> >> >> >> only admitted men to them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But academic subjects that are denied to women are not restricted >> >> >> >> to these and others such as accounting, >> >> >> >> education fields, restoration of historic buildings, pure chemistry >> >> >> >> etc >> >> >> >> are also shut to women. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In this regard, the Oil Industry University also announced that "at >> >> >> >> the moment it did not have any need for women resources." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The head of the public relations office >> >> >> >> of this school announced that "the management of the oil industry >> >> >> >> did >> >> >> >> not believe that the harsh conditions of operations in this field >> >> >> >> did >> >> >> >> not make it suitable for women." He continued, "According to recent >> >> >> >> surveys conducted by the public relations office of the Oil >> >> >> >> Industry >> >> >> >> University, not all women students were satisfied with the fields >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> conditions to which they had been admitted." According to him, >> >> >> >> between >> >> >> >> the years 1939 and 2000 no women were admitted to this school. >> >> >> >> Since >> >> >> >> 2000, women have been admitted to all programs except drilling. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> According to Khabar Online, Alame >> >> >> >> Tabatabai University's course book booklet for this year has >> >> >> >> reserved >> >> >> >> the following fields only for men: social work, accounting, >> >> >> >> industrial >> >> >> >> management, and hotel management while reserving these fields for >> >> >> >> women: education, political science, library science and >> >> >> >> information >> >> >> >> dissemination. Chamran University of Ahvaz too has taken measures >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> only admit men to its engineering programs. This denies women the >> >> >> >> possibility of pursuing education in the fields of math and >> >> >> >> technical >> >> >> >> sciences in that province. Since these two schools are the main >> >> >> >> institutions of higher education in the province, the denial means >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> women for the first time cannot study petroleum related subjects >> >> >> >> there. >> >> >> >> This limitation does not exist for women in other universities such >> >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> those in Tehran, Shiraz or Tabriz. This forces women who are >> >> >> >> interested >> >> >> >> in these fields to move to other regions of the country which makes >> >> >> >> them less competitive because of the strengths of the residents of >> >> >> >> those >> >> >> >> provinces. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gender separation has been a serious >> >> >> >> policy pursued by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration which has >> >> >> >> repeatedly been defended by Kamran Daneshjoo, the minister of >> >> >> >> science. >> >> >> >> The basis for this policy is the policy to separate men and women >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> campuses. But the president's office has issued a special directive >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> the minister of science and universities questioning the >> >> >> >> single-gender >> >> >> >> classrooms that some universities had instituted and demanding that >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> practice be stopped. But segregation continues at the institutions >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> is even expanding as the new policies indicate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By Behrouz Samadbeighi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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