Betul dibeberapa negara Europa sedang mengalami krisis, krisis dalam sistem ekonomi kapitalis pasar adalah siklus, artinya tiap x tahun selalu ada, selain itu ada yang bilang krisis itu ada baik karena bisa dilakukan pembetulan atau penyesuaian, perushaan yang salah urus atau tidak mempunyai likwitadas baik tersingkir tinggal perusahaan-perusahaan yang kuat. Ada segi negatif bagi negeri lain yang bukan eroupa atau Amerika, yaitu adanya kriris ini maka ekspor ke Europa dan USA (yang kekuatan membelinya tinggi) akan menurun jadi ada effeknya akan merambat kemana-mana. Itu mengenai krisis Europa, tetapi yang saya komentari sebelumnya adalah mengenai ucapan diplomat atau petinggi kepada umum, jangan keliru dipegang.
Tentang ucapan diplomat ada yang tragis, misalnya duta besar USA dalam audensi dengan Saddam Husein (Irak). Dubes kurang lebih bilang kepada Saddam : “kami tidak mencampuri urusan dalam negeri Irak”. Waktu itu Irak mempunyai claim atas Kuwait sebagai bahagian dari Irak, karena memang dibawah kekuasaan Sultan Otoman, Kuwait adalah propinsi dari Irak. Dan Kuwait dijadikan negara oleh Inggris, ketika ditemukan minyak. Kepala Beduin diangkat menjadi Emir. Saddam sangka dengan pernyataan dubes USA itu adalah greenlight buat Irak, jadi beberapa hari kemudian Irak serang Kuwait untuk diambil kepangkuan ibu pertiwinya (istilah NKRI). Mulailah perang Teluk pertama. From: Ballast Yo Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Wakil PM Belanda: Eropa Dapat Belajar dari Indonesia eropa melalui imf sudah malakin negara2 termasuk negara macam indonesia agar memberikan dana talangan. eropa emang bangsat, dulu menyusahkan lewat gold glory gospel taik kucing. sebelumnya jaman pertengahan, sangat mengerikan. sekarang mau bangkrut juga masih malakin negara2 laen. --- On Mon, 9/10/12, Sunny <mailto:ambon%40tele2.se> wrote: From: Sunny <mailto:ambon%40tele2.se> Pada umumnya ucapan diplomat atau petinggi negara disesuaikan dengan hasrat hadirin untuk mendengar. From: item abu Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:41 AM Hehehe... Indonesia itu tinggal tunggu waktu aja sebelum betul2 bangkrut ga bisa apa2. Sekarang aja pemerintah masih bisa hidup krn ngutang yg terus makin besar, sambil malakin rakyatnya, lalu duitnya dikorupsi besar2an. Ga krisis? Hehehe... orang kayak lu yg kebagian hasil korupsi ya jelas aja akan ngejilat pantat pemerintah sampe licin mengkilat. >________________________________ > From: johny_indon <mailto:johny_indon%40yahoo.com> > >yg dibicarakan oleh deputi perdana mentri belanda adalah >bahwa indonesia lolos dari krisis ekonomi dengan pertumbuhan >ekonomi yg tinggi, sementara eropa terpuruk sampe yunani dan spain >mau bangkrut. >sampe2 bank central eropa turun tangan mau ngucurin milyaran euro >buat nyelametin itu negara. >jadi eropa kudu belajar dari indonesia gimana caranya lolos >dari krisis ekonomi. >apanya yg aneh dari pernyataan di atas? >jadi kalo ditanya siapa yg lebih ngerti soal ekonomi makro, elu atau >deputi perdana mentri belanda, hamster piaraan anak gua juga udah tau >jawabannya apa. > >eh bentar, lu ngerti ngga apa gua omongin? > >sorry ye, itu topik rada tinggi,cuman bisa dipahami oleh >orang2 terpelajar, atau minimal yg wawasannya rada lega. >ngga cocok diobrolin sama kecoak macem elu yg tiap hari cuman >nongkrong di stadium (bangga lagi! sumpah gua kirain stadium itu >tempat buat olah raga). > >sonoh nongkrong lagi lu di stadium, biar lu merasa kagak udik. > >--- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Mau siapa jg, kalo ocehan taik kucing akan gua bilang ocehan taik kucing. >> Gua ga kayak lu yg jadi penjilat pantat pembesar. >> >> Emangnya, lu pikir siapa yg lbh tau keadaan Indonesia, menteri Belanda atau >> gua? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> >> >To: mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:32 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Wakil PM Belanda: Eropa Dapat Belajar dari Indonesia >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >berani bener lu bilang omongan deputi perdana mentri belanda >> >sebagai ocehan tai kucing. >> >si uplik bisa kesinggung tuh ada pejabat belanda yg disamain >> >sama tai kucing. >> > >> >--- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hehehe... ocehan taik kucing. Kayaknya lu ga pernah buka mata lu unt >> >> ngeliat apa yg ada di Indonesia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> >> >> >To: mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com >> >> >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:52 AM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Wakil PM Belanda: Eropa Dapat Belajar dari >> >> >Indonesia >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >bukti macem apa yg elu minta plik? >> >> >meneer verhagen kudu nelpon elu gitu? >> >> > >> >> >dasar imigran goblog. >> >> > >> >> >http://en.voi.co.id/voi-news/2499-indonesia-calls-for-improved-cooperation-among-asia-pacific-countries >> >> > >> >> >Europe can learn from Indonesia >> >> > >> >> >The Dutch Deputy Prime Minister Maxime Verhagen admitted that Europe >> >> >could learn a lot from indonesia, especially in overcoming the uncertain >> >> >european economic crisis. Indonesian Embassy in Denhaag released a press >> >> >statement saying that Verhagen's statement was conveyed at the >> >> >Diplomatic Reception to commemorate Indonesian 67th Independence >> >> >celebration. Deputy Verhargen emphazied the important cooperation of >> >> >both country in water development. Besides that Verhagen praised >> >> >indonesia democracy development and honouring the value of Human rights. >> >> >He added that Indonesia convinved the international community to step >> >> >out the economic turn down in 1998 with debt ratio reaching 400% of >> >> >Gross Domestic Product supress to 25% of GDP in less then 10 years with >> >> >ecomic growth about 6.2 percent per year. He added that the Netherlands >> >> >with its Rotterdam Port and Schippol Airport still serve as entry gate >> >> >for indonesian products to European market. In trade sector, >> >> Indonesia became the third major trade partner in Asia after China and >> >> India////Trans >> >> > >> >> >http://www.antara.co.id/en/news/84367/european-countries-urged-to-learn-from-ri-in-overcoming-crisis >> >> > >> >> >London (ANTARA News) - Dutch Prime Minister Maxime Verhagen called on >> >> >all crisis-hit European countries to learn from Indonesia on how to >> >> >overcome the crisis and to create new hopes for a better economic growth. >> >> > >> >> >Speaking on the occasion of attending a reception to celebrate the 67th >> >> >anniversary of Indonesia`s Independence Day at the residence of >> >> >Indonesian Ambassador Retno Marsudi in The Hague on Wednesday, Verhagen >> >> >said that Indonesia ever hit by economic crisis in 1998 was able to >> >> >reduce its debt ratio from 400 in 1998 to 25 percent within a period of >> >> >10 years. >> >> > >> >> >In fact, Indonesia was able to maintain economic growth of 6.2 percent >> >> >annually. "This is a big success recorded by Indonesia in overcoming the >> >> >crisis in the past," he said. >> >> > >> >> >Furthermore, the Netherlands with Rotterdam port and Schipol airport >> >> >will remain as gateway for Indonesian commodities to enter European >> >> >markets, he stressed. >> >> > >> >> >In addition, the number of Indonesian students continuing their study in >> >> >the Netherlands also recorded a remarkable increase. >> >> > >> >> >In trade sector, Indonesia was exactly the third biggest trade partner >> >> >in Asia after China and India. >> >> > >> >> >However, Prime Minister Verhagen also put a stress on the importance of >> >> >strengthening bilateral cooperation in water management. >> >> > >> >> >He highly welcomed a better progress in the implementation of democratic >> >> >system and respect of human rights in the life of Indonesian people. >> >> > >> >> >In response to the Dutch Prime Minister`s opinion, Ambassador Retno >> >> >reiterated that development of economy and democratization in Indonesia >> >> >should run unimpeded. >> >> > >> >> >According to her, the bilateral policy of Indonesia with the Netherlands >> >> >at present was more focused on economic cooperation as marked with high >> >> >frequency in the visit of trade, investment and creative industry >> >> >delegations from Indonesia to the Netherlands. >> >> > >> >> >The ambassador also hoped that cooperation in creative industry sector >> >> >could be made as a priority of economic development in the Netherlands. >> >> >(T.H-ZG/E002/F001) >> >> > >> >> >--- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> ><bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dan manusia dungu berotak anjing kayak "arra_s" mengganggap serius >> >> >> siaran Kedutaan Besar Indonesia sebelum ada bukti bahwa omongan itu >> >> >> memang diucapkan Vehagen... >> >> >> >> >> >> Otak yang berfungsi dengan baik, itulah yang tidak dimiliki oleh >> >> >> manusia yang termasuk paling dungu dimuka bumi ini... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > jadi pingin tahu pendapat si Uplik... >> >> >> > dengan berita di bawah ini.. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://internasional.kompas.com/read/2012/09/07/04165181/Wakil.PM.Belanda.Eropa.Dapat.Belajar.dari.Indonesia >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > LONDON, KOMPAS.com â€" Wakil Perdana Menteri Belanda Maxime >> >> >> > Verhagen mengakui, Eropa yang sedang dilanda krisis keuangan dapat >> >> >> > belajar banyak dari Indonesia dalam mengatasi krisis serta dalam >> >> >> > mewujudkan harapan baru. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Maxime Verhagen menyampaikan hal itu dalam sambutannya sebagai tamu >> >> >> > kehormatan pada Resepsi Diplomatik dalam rangka peringatan HUT ke-67 >> >> >> > Proklamasi Kemerdekaan RI di Wisma Duta Wassenaar, Belanda, Rabu >> >> >> > (5/9/2012). 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