Memang benar sebagian besar agama termasuk agama Kristen tokoh2nya laki2. Ini merupakan refleksi masyarakat setempat di mana agama itu tumbuh kembang. Bayangkan kalau Yesus langsung mengangkat 12 murid (atau setidaknya sebagian) -pasti reaksi setempat begitu negatif sehingga ajarannya tidak sempat lepas landas.
Mungkin bagi yg tertarik google-lah 'Women amongst the early Christians). Yesus selalu tidak membedakan laki2 atau permepuan dlm pengajaran dan partisipasi pengikutnya. Ingat Kristen membolehkan biarawati berpartisipasi dlm banyak kegiatan a.l. ibadah, pendidikan, kesehatan, Joan of Arch bahkan dibolehkan memimpin pasukan Kristen (spt halnya Cut Nyak dien) dsb. Yg penting jangnalah dibiarkan trend untuk memperlakukan perempuan Indonesia seperti yg dilakukan bangsa2 kurang berbudaya a.k.a 'biadab'. Gabriella ________________________________ From: rezameutia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012 12:06 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@...> wrote: > > > > soal agama maskulin nih. > yesus itu cowok (biarpun ngga kawin2, tapi bisa dipastikan cowok), > semua murid yesus juga cowok (bener ngga? wakti itu gua bolos mulu soalnya). > buddha cowok juga. > kong hu chu, juga cowok. > brahma, wisnu, siwa, threesome... eh threemurti dlm agama hindu itu juga > digambarkan lanang kabeh. > apalagi yah... gua rada butek kalo ttg agama soalnya. > barangkali ada yg tau agama yg sesembahan/junjungannya cewek? > kayaknya ada.. agama sunda kuno penguasa kahyangannya bernama sunan ambu. sunan ambu ini dibantu oleh 4 orang laki2 yang disebut bujangga, dibawah bujangga sebagai pelaksana perintah sunan ambu ke dunia para perempuan yang disebut pohaci. > tapi denger2 di leiden ada agama baru sih, namanya joggingism, > sesembahannya cewek bertetek gede, kalo ngga salah sih. > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > Islam ini agama maskulin, agama yang dikuasai laki laki > > seorang  laki laki bisa menceraikan istrinya kapan saja dan hampir dengan > > cara apa saja > > tapi sebaliknya kalau perempuan ingin menceraikan suaminya, perkaranya > > dibikin susah dan rumit > > mesti ke pengadilan agama lah, didengarkan dulu alasan alasannya lah, > > setelah itu keputusan cerai bisa iya bisa gagal > > > > nih satu lagi yang kocak, jika seorang suami telah menceraikan bininya > > secara sah dengan ngomong begini > > " sri gue ceraiin lu hari ini " > > > > eh besoknya dia nyesel, ternyata bini gue bahenol juga ya, apalagi musim > > dingin begini > > dia pengen balik lagi sama si sri bahenol, tapi hukum islam mengatakan si > > sri mesti kawin dulu sama orang > > lain lalu cerai sebelum balik lagi sama si mas tawang > > > > mas tawang akhirnya bilang > > > > " sri, mas pengen balik lagi, sebaiknya lu kawin dulu sama mas dimas, > > bobo bareng aja biar cuma semalem juga ora opo opo sri " > > > > how stupid > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:27 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > >  > > talak lewat sms memang legal secara islam. bisa juga lewat titip pesen > > "tolong bilang sama si a, gw ceraikan die gitu! " kalimat ini juga sah dan > > legal dalam islam. bahkan dengan kalimat "pulang sana ke orang tua mu! " > > ucapan inipun adalah sah dan legal. atau afdolnya begini, cukup bilang " > > anu . . . dengan ini saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak satu . . . " kalimat > > ini sudah sah secara islam. > > > > bukan mengada ada. tapi itulah adanya. > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > Mnrt pengacara Aceng talak melalui SMS itu legal dlm Islam. Memangnya > > > ketika Nabi Junjungan menceraikan salah satu bininya, beliau juga ketik > > > Talak lewat Ponsel? > > > > > > Ada2 saja sodara2 kita Muslim ini! > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 2:55 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Peristiwa cere liwat SMS itu ternyata samp juga ke CNN.. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [CNN] > > > Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia > > > By Kathy Quiano, CNN > > > December 6, 2012 -- Updated 0627 GMT (1427 HKT) > > > > > > CNN.com > > > > > > Jarkarta, Indonesia (CNN) -- The marriage lasted four days and ended in > > > divorce via text message, from the 40-year-old local politician to his > > > 17-year-old wife. > > > > > > Aceng Fikri claimed his young bride Fani Oktara was not a virgin, as she > > > had claimed, so he decided to end the union, his lawyer Ujang Suja'I said. > > > > > > She denied it, and in turn accused Aceng -- who is the head of the > > > district of Garut in West Java -- of spreading baseless accusations > > > against her. Her lawyer Danny Suliwisjaya told CNN that Aceng had > > > deceived his client into marriage. > > > > > > Aceng caused a stir after his July wedding to Fani. Although 16 is the > > > legal age for marriage in Indonesia, Aceng was already married with > > > children. Few Muslims practice polygamy, and while it is not against the > > > law, Indonesian civil servants are also prohibited from taking on second > > > spouses under strict regulations governing their private lives. > > > > > > A photo of the alleged wedding ceremony was posted on the Internet. > > > Religious weddings are common in Indonesia but marriages need to be > > > civilly and legally registered. > > > > > > Aceng claimed divorcing his wife through text messaging is allowed under > > > Islamic Sharia law, his lawyer said. > > > > > > Public outrage over the marriage, and subsequent divorce, came after Fani > > > reported Aceng to the police on Monday, asking that he be charged with > > > falsifying his marital status, fraud, defamation and unpleasant conduct. > > > > > > Police are still investigating Fani's complaint; as yet, there are no > > > charges against Aceng. > > > > > > There have since been daily protests in Garut, calling for his > > > resignation. > > > > > > The girl's lawyer, Danny Suliswijaya, told CNN she and her family decided > > > to go public only after months of asking Aceng for an apology. > > > > > > Suliswijaya said Aceng told Fani that he was a widower. > > > > > > "He said he married Fani as his only wife, so he cheated and failed to > > > tell the truth," Suliswijaya said. The lawyer claims Aceng also reneged > > > on promises to send her to university and to the minor Hajj in Mecca. > > > > > > The embattled official apologized late Monday but stood by his version of > > > the story. "If what I did was wrong, even though it was allowed by > > > Islamic law, then I deeply apologize to my family and my ex-wife," he > > > told reporters. Ujang told CNN they will report Fani and her family to > > > the police, seeking charges of fraud and extortion. > > > > > > "Aceng accused her of not being a virgin on the second day of their > > > marriage and she didn't deny it. That's why Aceng decided to end the > > > marriage and send her back to her parents," Aceng's lawyer said. Fani's > > > attorney insists the accusations are baseless. > > > > > > According to his lawyer, Aceng gave the girl's family 43 million rupiah > > > (roughly $4,000) for her university fees and the minor Hajj trip. He says > > > the girl's family agreed to the settlement but continued to contact Aceng > > > for more money, "blackmailing the district head." Fani's attorney denies > > > Aceng's claims, and says all his client wanted was an apology. > > > > > > Indonesian President Susilo has ordered the Home Affairs Ministry to > > > summon Aceng and investigate the matter. On Wednesday, Garut's local > > > legislative council also decided to create a special committee to look > > > into Aceng's case. > > > > > > His lawyer said the case needed "to go through legal channels," and that > > > his client's potential removal as district chief was not imminent: "the > > > council has to wait for the results of the police investigation before > > > making a decision on Aceng's dismissal." > > > > > > Women and children's rights activists, however, welcome the > > > investigations and the public outcry over the case. > > > > > > Muhammad Ihsan, secretary of the Commission for the Protection of > > > Indonesian Children or KPAI, told CNN the regent head may be held liable > > > for a sexual offense, if it is proven that the regent head deceived the > > > teenage girl. > > > > > > The commission says human trafficking, the illegal sex trade and the > > > exploitation of women are rampant, particularly in the province of West > > > Java. > > > > > > In not a few cases, parents or relatives give up their teenage daughters > > > for marriage, in exchange for money. > > > > > > Ihsan said that when the facts of this case become clearer, it could > > > highlight well-known and common practices of exploiting young women. > > > > > > "If a public official is allowed to get away with behavior like this, > > > then the public will think this is acceptable", said Ihsan. > > > > > > Rudy Madanir contributed to this report. > > > 17 > > > Comments » > > > > > > Print > > > Email > > > More sharing > > > > > > © 2012 Cable News Network. 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