http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/13/catholicism.religion
Pope says sorry for sins of church
Sweeping apology for attacks on Jews, women and minorities defies theologians'
warnings
Rory Carroll in Rome
The Guardian, Monday 13 March 2000 11.37 GMT
Saving one of his most audacious initiatives for the twilight of his papacy,
John Paul II yesterday attempted to purify the soul of the Roman Catholic
church by making a sweeping apology for 2,000 years of violence, persecution
and blunders.
>From the altar of St Peter's Basilica in Rome he led Catholicism into
>unchartered territory by seeking forgiveness for sins committed against Jews,
>heretics, women, Gypsies and native peoples.
Fighting through trembles and slurrings caused by Parkinson's disease, the Pope
electrified ranks of cardinals and bishops by pleading for a future that would
not repeat the mistakes. "Never again," he said.
Centuries of hate and rivalry could not recur in the third millennium. "We
forgive and we ask forgiveness. We are asking pardon for the divisions among
Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of
truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of
other religions."
Plea for brotherhood
Defying warnings from some theologians that the unprecedented apology would
undermine the church's authority, the 79-year-old pontiff asked God to forgive
the persecution of the Jews. "We are deeply saddened by the behaviour of those
who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and
asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood."
Wearing the purple vestments of lenten mourning, the Pope sought pardon for
seven categories of sin: general sins; sins in the service of truth; sins
against Christian unity; against the Jews; against respect for love, peace and
cultures; against the dignity of women and minorities; and against human rights.
Ethnic groups had endured "contempt for their cultures and religious
traditions". Women were "all too often humiliated and marginalised". Trust in
wealth and power had obscured the church's responsibility to the poor and
oppressed.
There was no reference to homosexuals, who had asked to be included for
suffering theocratic violence. The Pope did not identify guilty individuals or
name the crusades, the Inquisition or the Holocaust, but the references were
clear.
Five Vatican cardinals and two bishops confessed sins on behalf of the church
during the ceremony. Cardinal Edward Cassidy recalled the "sufferings of the
people of Israel" asked divine pardon for the "sins committed by not a few
[Catholics] against the people of the covenant".
'Warped' view
Several Jewish leaders praised the sermon as historic and significant but
Israel's chief rabbi said he was deeply frustrated by the Pope's failure to
mention the Holocaust, and described the service as "a severely warped view of
history".
Rabbi Israel Meir Lau joined other Israelis in expressing hope that the pope
had omitted acknowledging the church's passivity during the Holocaust only
because he was planning a specific apology during next week's pilgrimage to the
holy land.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the congregation of the doctrine of the
faith, confessed to the sins of the congregation's predecessor, the
Inquisition. "Even men of the church, in the name of faith and morals, have
sometimes used methods not in keeping with the Gospel," he said.
Applause from the congregation greeted the Pope's arrival in the basilica. He
kneeled before the Pieta, Michelangelo's statue of the dead Christ in the arms
of his mother, before being wheeled to the altar. He leaned on his silver staff
and it took several attempts for him to get out of his chair to kiss a
crucifix. The Vatican no longer denies the Pope has Parkinson's disease. An
operation to remove a tumour, several falls and an assassination attempt have
left him hunched and stiff.
Seeking forgiveness has been a leitmotif of his papacy since his election in
1978. He has apologised for the crusades, the massacre of French Protestants,
the trial of Galileo and anti-semitism.
Yesterday's apology was by far the most sweeping and an unprecedented act for
the leader of a major religion. One of the highlights of this year's jubilee,
or holy year, it was the result of four years' research by a panel of 28
theologians and scholars.
Disquiet that the apology was a beautiful gesture but a theological mistake
bubbled to the surface last week.
Echoing widespread concern from liberal as well as conservative theologians,
the Bishop of Como, Alessandro Maggiolini, said: "In whose name, exactly, is
the holy father asking pardon? He is relying on a group of experts, but
tomorrow another group of experts might come up with different examples."
Other churchmen said the gesture would be seen by Muslims as a sign of weakness
and by secular enemies as a cue to launch further attacks.
The Pope's persistence in ramming through the initiative, despite resistance
inside the Vatican, has doused claims that he has effectively retired and
abandoned policy-making.
The document that provides the theological framework emphasises a distinction
between the sins committed by the church's sons and daughters and the church
itself, which remains holy and immaculate.
Speaking after the ceremony to the crowd in St Peter's Square, the Pope
stressed he was seeking forgiveness not from those who had been wronged, but
from God. "Only he can do that."
2,000 years of violence and persecution
The Crusades
Pope Urban II, anxious to assert Rome's authority in the east, sent a military
expedition in 1095 to reconquer the holy land. The crusaders ravaged the
countries they passed through and massacred the Muslim, Jewish and even
Christian population of Jerusalem after capturing it in 1099. After 200 years
of conflict Muslim armies drove them out for good, but the crusaders' symbol of
the red cross remains provocative.
The Inquisition
The attempt to combat suspected apostates, Jews and Muslims at the time of the
Reformation spawned tribunals in Europe and the new world that tortured and
executed thousands. Ecclesiastical queasiness about flowing blood led to the
use of racks, thumbscrews and red-hot metal instead of blades; 2,000 people
were burned at the stake during the tenure of Spain's first grand inquisitor,
Tomas de Torquemada.
The Holocaust
Pope Pius XII never publicly condemned the Nazis' persecution of Jews, even
when they were being rounded up and deported from Rome. His silence is partly
blamed for the failure of Germany's Catholics to resist Hitler. Anti-Jewish
Catholic doctrines such as the claim that the Jews murdered Christ were said to
have ideologically underpinned nazism. Vatican officials allegedly helped Nazis
escape Europe after the war.
--- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote:
>
> bedanya lu ama gw, gw terima fakta.
> Gw terima faktanya bahwa bukan cuma dalam islam, tapi dalam kekristenan juga
> ada lembaran hitam (walaupun jauh lebih sedikit dibanding islam). tapi
> bedanya mereka yang melakukan kekerasan itu tidak bisa dikatakan menganut
> ajaran Yesus karna memang beda total dengan ajaran Yesus baik perkataan
> maupun perbuatan Yesus.
> Sedangkan dalam islam, mereka yang melakukan kekerasan justru didukung oleh
> theology mainstream islam, bahkan mencontoh kehidupan si muhammad.
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote:
> >
> > Ya gitu deh, kalo,orang udah ketutup otaknya, udah jumud, tentunkagak bisa
> > menerima lagi perbedaan. Dongok sih...
> >
> > Lo sendiri kok yang mengakui bahwa agama Kristen tumbuhnya dengan darah
> > kekerasan dan darah, dan hal itu memang benar sekali. tapi, sekarang
> > malahan ngelak, maksain gw supaya percaya omongan Sam Harris.
> >
> > Biasa dah, tipikal Kristen dongok.
> > Kalo orang bule yang ngomong langsung percaya dan ditelan mentah2, persis
> > seperti anjing kelaparan melahap taik hangat.
> > Abis, tuhannya bule sih...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote:
> > >
> > > keep living in denial.
> > >
> > > sejarahwan memang mencatat demikian, bahkan atheist pun sependapat. Sam
> > > Harris itu bukan teman dekat orang kristen, dia itu salah satu dari 'the
> > > four horsemen'. kerjaannya itu ya menyerang kristen juga. tapi bahkan
> > > dia pun tahu kalo islam itu jauh lebih sering menggunakan kekerasan
> > > dibanding kristen for a very very long time.
> > >
> > > wake up!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lo dasar penginjil tukang kibul, ngomong "semua buku sejarah menulis
> > > > bla..bla..", wong udah jelas faktanya Islam masuk ke Indonesia melalui
> > > > pedagang.
> > > >
> > > > Seperti umumnya penginjil tukang bohong, si nubpenginjil ngibul dia
> > > > bilang tentara Kristen udah nggak ngebunuhin orang sampe sekarang,
> > > > padahal baru aja gw kasih beberapa daftar kekejaman tentara Kristen di
> > > > abad ke 20.
> > > >
> > > > Dia sendiri mengakui bahwa awal Kristen itu penuh kekerasan dan darah,
> > > > seperti inkuisisi, Perang Salib, dan witch burning, ini kan udah jelas
> > > > bahwa pohon yang tumbuhnya melenceng nggak bakalan bisa lurus.
> > > >
> > > > Agama Kristen yang tumbuhnya penuh kekerasan, darah, udah pasti akan
> > > > melenceng seperti itu terus, penuh kekerasan dan darah. Makanya, nggak
> > > > heran agama Kristen meredup di Eropa dan Amerika, sebab memang agama
> > > > Kristen itu agama sesat, agama hipokrit.
> > > >
> > > > Kebiasaan penginjil berbohong dan menipu duit perpuluhan umatnya udah
> > > > terkenal, semua orang udah tahu itu. Lo mau berbohong disini dan menipu
> > > > seperti kelakuan lo di gereja, nggak bisa lah..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > lu tetep mau menyangkal kalu penyebaran agama lu itu pake pedang?
> > > > > Semua buku sejarah menulis kalo memang penyebaran islam mula2 itu
> > > > > menggunakan pedang dan lu mau ngebantah itu para sejarahwan?
> > > > > ini namanya living in denial, walaupun bisa dimengerti, mungkin karna
> > > > > lu malu kalo memang faktanya begitu.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesus menyebarkan kasih dan bukan kebencian (beda bgt dengan muhammad
> > > > > tentunya), itu lu setuju. Lu bilang ada umatnya yang menyebarkan
> > > > > kebencian? so what? ini namanya pelanggaran. Crusade, inquisition,
> > > > > witch burning itu 3 kejahatan gereja yang paling sering digembar
> > > > > gemborkan. tapi kalo lu belajar sejarah itu semua terjadi dalam
> > > > > berapa tahun? bandingkan dengan jihad dalam islam, dari awal muhammad
> > > > > sampe jaman sekarang masih terus berlansung.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lu tau sapa Sam Harris? salah satu atheist paling terkenal saat ini.
> > > > > Dia ngomong gini: "because the truth is that Islam is quite a bit
> > > > > scarier and more culpable for needless human misery, than
> > > > > Christianity has been for a very, very long time. And the world must
> > > > > wake up to this fact. Muslims themselves must wake up to this fact.
> > > > > And they can..."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Inilah kalo penginjil sudah punya kebiasaan tukang kibul.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nggak ada orang Islam membantai orang Kristen di Timteng, perang
> > > > > > yang terjadi pada jaman Nabi Muhammad adalah antara Islam dan
> > > > > > Quraisy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nubpenginjil udah kebiasaan ngibul, padahal udah jelas Kristen yang
> > > > > > penyebarannya melalui pedang. Semua udah tau kok, bagaimana orang
> > > > > > Kristen membantai dan melakukan ethnic cleansing Indian di Amerika
> > > > > > Selatan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Islam penyebarannya masuk ke Indonesia melalui pedagang, bukan
> > > > > > seperti Kristen yang membunuhi dan membantai penduduk lokal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seperti gw udah bilang, agama Kristen itu agama hipokrit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus menyebarkan kebaikan dan kasih, tapi umatnya malahan
> > > > > > menyebarkan kebencian dan kematian. Lo pikir aja sendiri, berapa
> > > > > > banyak tentara Kristen membantai dan membunuh orang.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hitler sendiri aja membunuh 6 juta orang, lo sebagai penginjil
> > > > > > menjadi tukang tipu ngibulin kolekte dan perpuluhan umat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hipokrit kan?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > inilah kalau belajar sejarah dari majalah dinding di pesantren.
> > > > > > > Sumber yang saya pake legit, dari sejarahwan jaman itu Edward
> > > > > > > Gibbon.
> > > > > > > akhirnya ada orang islam juga yang menyangkal, tidak mau percaya
> > > > > > > kalau islam itu penyebarannya menggunakan pedang.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Islam lahir di timur tengah dan membantai umat kristen yg saat
> > > > > > > itu dominan disana. mereka yang tidak mau meninggalkan iman
> > > > > > > kristennya dibunuh2i. dan lu anggap ini bukan agresor melainkan
> > > > > > > tentara eropa yg berusaha merebut kembali miliknya yg agresor LOL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yesus mengajarkan para pengikutNya untuk mengasihi musuh mereka,
> > > > > > > bukan membencinya; Yesus tidak hanya sekedar mengajarkan dengan
> > > > > > > perkataan tapi juga memberikan contoh langsung. Ketika Yesus
> > > > > > > dihampiri oleh Yudas yang datang bersama dengan tentara2 ingin
> > > > > > > menangkap Yesus, Yesus melarang murid2nya untuk melakukan
> > > > > > > kekerasan. Dia memarahi Petrus yang menghunus pedangnya dan
> > > > > > > memotong kuping salah satu tentara disitu. Yesus berkata
> > > > > > > "Masukkan pedang itu kembali ke dalam sarungnya, sebab
> > > > > > > barangsiapa menggunakan pedang, akan binasa oleh pedang" (Mat
> > > > > > > 26:52). Sangatlah jelas disini, bahwa menggunakan pedang, pistol,
> > > > > > > bom itu justru mencoreng nama Kristus dan ajaranNya.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kekerasan dalam nama Tuhan itu justru bertentangan dengan ajaran
> > > > > > > utama Yesus. Yesus tidak mau itu. Yesus bahkan tidak mau
> > > > > > > kekerasan digunakan untuk 'melindungi' Dia dari kematian itu
> > > > > > > sendiri.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pendeta tukang tipu yang nyolong kolekte perpuluhan jemaatnya,
> > > > > > > > udah wajar kalo ngibul mulu.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sebelum Islam lahir, tentu aja Timteng itu didominsai oleh
> > > > > > > > Kristen. Kan memang Islam belum ada?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kok bego banget sih?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Islam lahir di Timteng dan hampir sebagian Timteng menjadi
> > > > > > > > Islam, ini bukan hal yang aneh. Kristen udah dari sejak jaman
> > > > > > > > dulu udah punya sifat agresor, sejak jaman Jesus, Roma sudah
> > > > > > > > mencaplok Jerusalem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Topik awalnya adalah tentara kerajaan Eropa menyerbu Jerusalem
> > > > > > > > sebagia agresor, dan karena si penginjil udah kebiasaan ngibul,
> > > > > > > > trus lari2 ngibul tentang penyebaran Kristen dan Islam.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dalam penyebaran Kristen, murid2 Jesus tidak ada yang percaya
> > > > > > > > kepada Jesus dan mereka lari terkencing-kencing meninggalkan
> > > > > > > > Jesus.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pada akhirnya, Jesus dan semua muridnya mati secara mengenaskan
> > > > > > > > seperti layaknya pendosa besar, seperti lo bilang, ada yang
> > > > > > > > direbus, ada yang dipenggal, ada yang disalib terbalik.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ini artinya, agama Kristen sesat dan dikutuk Tuhan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kalo agama Kristen diberkati oleh Tuhan, tentu Nabi dan para
> > > > > > > > muridnya akan meninggal dengan tenang dan damai, seperti
> > > > > > > > Muhammad, Buddha, Konghucu.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dah ngerti?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > nih gw copy paste buat lu lulusan pesantren baca. lu pikir
> > > > > > > > > sebelum islam nongol agama dominan disitu apa? baca buku
> > > > > > > > > sejarah bener makanya, jangan majalah dinding dipesantren lu
> > > > > > > > > jadiin referensi sejarah.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lulusan pesantren mana diajarin sejarah beneren.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sebelum lahirnya islam, timur tengah itu didominasi orang
> > > > > > > > > Kristen. Iraq, Syria,
> > > > > > > > > Yordania, Mesir itu dulunya orang Kristen. Tempat2 `suci'
> > > > > > > > > Kristen itu ada di
> > > > > > > > > area itu, tempat dimana Yesus lahir, mengajar dan mati. Nah
> > > > > > > > > mengaku2 dipanggil
> > > > > > > > > untuk berjihad, tentara Muhammad menduduki Yerusalem dan
> > > > > > > > > sluruh timur tengah.
> > > > > > > > > Mereka juga menyebar ke selata yaitu ke Afrika, ke timur
> > > > > > > > > yaitu ke Asia, dan
> > > > > > > > > utara yaitu ke eropa.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mereka berhasil menduduki sebagian dari Itali dan sebagian
> > > > > > > > > besar dari Spanyol.
> > > > > > > > > Setelah itu mereka bersiap2 untuk menduduki seluruh eropa
> > > > > > > > > yang akan membuat
> > > > > > > > > seluruh eropa yang ketika itu disebut `christendom' dibawah
> > > > > > > > > islam. Ancaman ini
> > > > > > > > > sangat serius, saking seriusnya jika eropa tidak ambil
> > > > > > > > > tindakan, maka quran hari
> > > > > > > > > ini akan diajarkan diOxford, dan orang2 eropa harus mengakui
> > > > > > > > > Muhammad itu utusan
> > > > > > > > > Allah.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lebih dari 200 tahun setelah tentara2 islam ini menduduki
> > > > > > > > > timur tengah dan
> > > > > > > > > memaksakan jalan mereka ke eropa, akhirnya eropa menyerang
> > > > > > > > > balik. Dipimpin oleh
> > > > > > > > > Paus dan dinasti eropa lainnya diabad ke 11, orang2 kristen
> > > > > > > > > berusaha merebut
> > > > > > > > > kembali tempat2 krusial dan mempertahakannya dari militant
> > > > > > > > > islam. Ini yang
> > > > > > > > > disebut sekarang dengan crusade.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Crusade pertama sukses. Ditahun 1099, para crusaders berhasil
> > > > > > > > > merebut Yerusalem
> > > > > > > > > dan mempertahankannya beberapa decade. Ditahun 1187, Saladin
> > > > > > > > > berhasil merebut
> > > > > > > > > Yerusalem. Crusade2 berikutnya gagal. Jadi bisa kita lihat,
> > > > > > > > > crusade ini cuma
> > > > > > > > > sebuah upaya untuk mengalahkan imperialisme islam. Walaupun
> > > > > > > > > kalah, crusade tetap
> > > > > > > > > mempunyai makna penting bagi eropa. Tanpa adanya crusades,
> > > > > > > > > budaya barat sudah
> > > > > > > > > pasti akan musnah dan digantikan dengan budaya islam.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sekarang bandingkan penyebaran agama islam dan penyebaran
> > > > > > > > > agama Kristen mula2.
> > > > > > > > > Ditahun2 awal kekristenan, murid2 Yesus itu dibunuh, disiksa,
> > > > > > > > > bahkan seluruh
> > > > > > > > > keluarganya pun kena tangkap. Seluruh rasul2 Yesus matinya
> > > > > > > > > mati martir, hanya
> > > > > > > > > rasul Yohanes saja yang diloloskan dari mati martir dan
> > > > > > > > > menulis kitab Wahyu
> > > > > > > > > dihari tuanya. Murid2 Yesus banyak yang matinya dimasukan ke
> > > > > > > > > minyak mendidik,
> > > > > > > > > dikasih makan ke singa, bahkan ada juga yang disalib (Petrus
> > > > > > > > > mati dengan disalib
> > > > > > > > > terbalik, karna dia merasa tidak layak mati dengan cara yang
> > > > > > > > > sama seperti
> > > > > > > > > tuannya).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jadi sebenernya tidak ada untung duniawinya percaya Yesus
> > > > > > > > > kala itu. Ini
> > > > > > > > > perbedaan mencolok dengan penyebaran islam mula2: Kalau
> > > > > > > > > diawal kekristenan,
> > > > > > > > > orang akan mati kalau menjadi Kristen. Kalau diawal islam,
> > > > > > > > > orang mati kalau
> > > > > > > > > tidak menjadi islam.
> > > > > > > > > Dah ngerti?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gw dah bilang, bego jangan dipamerin disini.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ini sih lo ngomongnya makin ngawur aja, lo minta pembenaran
> > > > > > > > > > bahwa kerajaan Eropa bukan sebagai agresor menyerbu
> > > > > > > > > > Jerusalem, padahal udah jelas Jerusalem terletak di Asia.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Padahal lo udah tau sendiri bahwa yang namanya ekspedisi
> > > > > > > > > > militer adalah bentuk sebuah agresor, sekaang ngomong
> > > > > > > > > > ngawur bahwa Jerusalem adalah pusat agama Kristen.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sejak kapan Jerusalem sebagai pusat agama Kristen?
> > > > > > > > > > Pusat agama Kristen sudah tentu di Roma dan Jerusalem tidak
> > > > > > > > > > pernah menjadi pusat agama Kristen.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mari kita sama2 pakai otak. Military expedition adalah
> > > > > > > > > > > serangan militer. Yg harus anda sadari ialah bhw serangan
> > > > > > > > > > > militer ini merupakan serangan BALASAN thdp bajingan2
> > > > > > > > > > > Muslim yg merebut dan menduduki Yerusalem yg pada waktu
> > > > > > > > > > > itu adalah pusat kekristenan. Sebentar kita pikir: Siapa
> > > > > > > > > > > agresor yg menyebabkan terjadinya military expedition?
> > > > > > > > > > > Anda harus setuju bhw 'military expedition' oleh pihak
> > > > > > > > > > > raja2 Kristen ini tidak akan terjadi kalau seandainya
> > > > > > > > > > > jihadists Muslim tidak merebut, memaksa umat Kristiani di
> > > > > > > > > > > Yerusalem hengkang.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sekali lagi siapa yg memulai persengketaan dan yg
> > > > > > > > > > > berakhir dengan serangkaian Perang Salib? Preman2 Islam,
> > > > > > > > > > > bukan?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nah, siap yg tidak pakai otak. Siapa yg hipokrit? Ssiapa
> > > > > > > > > > > yg menjadi biang kerok permusuhan yg timbul di Yerusalem?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Siapa yg menyebarkan kebencian dengan memaksa bangsa2
> > > > > > > > > > > (Mesir, Persia, India, Iraq, Turki, Afrika Utara, Jazirah
> > > > > > > > > > > Iberia) masuk Islam?
> > > > > > > > > > > Siapa yg sampai hari ini melakukan pemboman, penculikan
> > > > > > > > > > > gadis2 untuk dijadikan Muslimah sesudah diperkosa, yg
> > > > > > > > > > > nembaki gadis umur 15 hanya karena dia ingin bersekolah'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Siapa yg menyegel gereja, membakar gereja, menembak
> > > > > > > > > > > pedeta sementara dia berkhotbah, siapa yg mnyembelih 3
> > > > > > > > > > > gadis SMP di Poso, dan masih banyak lagi penyebaran
> > > > > > > > > > > kebencian yg dilakukan oleh sebagian umat Islam thdp
> > > > > > > > > > > non-Muslim?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Berhentilah be-Al Taqqiya. Fakta di lapangan jelas
> > > > > > > > > > > menunjukkan ajaran mana yg merupakan sumber kekacauan dan
> > > > > > > > > > > penderitaan manusia.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > From: rezameutia
> > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 10:24 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: The Crusade
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > > > > Liatdan baca pek otak dikit...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Itu kan udah ditulis, "..was military expedition". Ini
> > > > > > > > > > > kan jelasa rtinya penyerangan ke Jerusalem. Dari sejak
> > > > > > > > > > > dulu sejak abad ke 7, Jerusalem udah Islam. Dan 4 abad
> > > > > > > > > > > kemudian kerajaan Kristen melakukan ekspedisi militer ke
> > > > > > > > > > > Jerusalem.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pake otak dong mbacanya, Gab?!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lagian, yang penuh darah itu bukan Islam, tapi Kristen.
> > > > > > > > > > > Eropa udah ada yang namanya inkuissisi, tapi Kristen
> > > > > > > > > > > masih belum puas juga sehingga menyerang Jesrusalem.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Berapa korban yang dibunuh Kristen di Perang Salib?
> > > > > > > > > > > 3 juta orang.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Memang begitulah, Kristen itu agama hipokrit. Kesana
> > > > > > > > > > > kemari ngomong menyebarkan kasih, tapi kenyataannya
> > > > > > > > > > > menyebarkan kebencian dan kematian.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bung Reza, sekedar berbagi pengetahuan umum aku copy
> > > > > > > > > > > > and paste satu paragraf ttg Perang Salib. PS ke-1
> > > > > > > > > > > > dilancarkan untuk mereeebut kembali Yerusalem dari
> > > > > > > > > > > > tangan preman2 Islam yg merebut dan mendudukinya. Agar
> > > > > > > > > > > > jelas Perang Salib itu tindakan melawan pendudukan
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yerusalem oleh preman2 Muslim.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The First Crusade (1096ââ¬"1099) was a military
> > > > > > > > > > > > expedition by Roman Catholic Europe to regain the Holy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lands taken in the Muslim conquests of the Levant
> > > > > > > > > > > > (632ââ¬"661), ultimately resulting in the recapture
> > > > > > > > > > > > of Jerusalem in 1099. It was launched on 27ÃÂ November
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of
> > > > > > > > > > > > responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios
> > > > > > > > > > > > I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come
> > > > > > > > > > > > to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuq Turks
> > > > > > > > > > > > from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the
> > > > > > > > > > > > principal objectiveââ¬"the Christian reconquest of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > freeing of the Eastern Christians from Islamic rule.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, siapa yg kurang cerdas? Faktanya adalah bhw Muslim
> > > > > > > > > > > > cut-throats tanpa provokasi menyerang Yerusalem yg pada
> > > > > > > > > > > > waktu itu adalah pusat
> > > > > > > > > > > > kekristenan. Muslim jihadists ini menduduki Yerusalem
> > > > > > > > > > > > setelah meramapasnya dari
> > > > > > > > > > > > tangan umat dan pemuka Kristiani.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sebelum aku teruskan: asal muasal dari Perang Salib
> > > > > > > > > > > > ialah kekejian, kebringasan
> > > > > > > > > > > > umat Islam yg menyerang, mengepung, starving the
> > > > > > > > > > > > population of Jerusalem dan
> > > > > > > > > > > > menduduki kota pusat kekristenan pd waktu itu.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Penyerangan kembali untuk merebut kembali Yrusalem dari
> > > > > > > > > > > > preman2 Islam itu
> > > > > > > > > > > > diperintahkan oleh Paus karena pada waktu itu pimpinan
> > > > > > > > > > > > tertinggi umat Kristen
> > > > > > > > > > > > adalah Sri Paus (Belum ada pemisahan Katolok dan
> > > > > > > > > > > > Protestan).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, aku ingin tanya siapa yg memelihara igorance,
> > > > > > > > > > > > kegoblokan ttg the Crusade?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: rezameutia
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 9:52 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Al Arabiya: Kidnappers said
> > > > > > > > > > > > were after âââ¬ÃÅ"crusadersâââ‰â¢
> > > > > > > > > > > > not Algerians: freed hostage
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gabby, mbok ya goblok tuh nggak usah pamer2 disini.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Udah jelas, Kristen Eropa menyerang Jerusalem atas
> > > > > > > > > > > > perintah pope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Emangnya Jerusalem ada di Eropa?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Memang nggak heran Kristen2 disini kurang pengetahuan
> > > > > > > > > > > > karena memang goblok dipiara sih. Gw baru tau ada
> > > > > > > > > > > > orang yang sedemikian gobloknya kayak si Gabby yang
> > > > > > > > > > > > bilang kerajaan Kristen Eropa bukan sebagai agerssor.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jaman internet kayak gini, masih aja goblok. Liat2 dah
> > > > > > > > > > > > ttg Perang Salib di internet, siapa yang agresor, sipa
> > > > > > > > > > > > pencetus penyerangan ke Jerusalem.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo gitu, menurut si Gabby tolol, Belanda juga bukan
> > > > > > > > > > > > agresor ya?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedikit nambahin. Banyak umat Islam yg serta merta
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mengatakan 'CRUSADERS' dg implikasi bhw umat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > kristiani adalah 'penyerang',Ãâà'penindas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam' seprti halnya para Crusaders.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini adalah bukti Al Taqqiya atau setidaknya total
> > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of knowledge - kedunguan mereka mengenai siapa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > biang kerok dari terjadinya Perang Salib. Mereka
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sengaja melupakan bhw Islamic cut-throats, preman,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > perampok, penjahat Muslim-lah yg memulai pertikaian
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yg kemudian dikenal dengan nama Perang Salib.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jihadists Muslim yg tanpa provokasi, tanpa alasan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (seperti sunnah nabi)Ãâàmngepung, menyerang,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > menduduki dan membantai umat kristiani yg tinggal di
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yerusalem! Selama beratus tahun raja2 Kriseten di
> > > > > > > > > > > > > berbagai negara di Eropa mencoba merebut kembali
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yerusalem dari tangan preman2 Islam.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Banyak kelompok Islam yg tanpa malu mempraktikkan Al
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Taqqiya demi kejayaan Islam. Untungnya di zaman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > internet dan social networks ini ulah culas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > memalukan ini semakin mudah diketahui masyarakat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > beradab.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 12:04 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Al Arabiya: Kidnappers said were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > after âââ¬ÃÅ"crusadersâââ‰â¢ not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Algerians: freed hostage
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 19 January 2013
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kidnappers said were after `crusaders' not Algerians:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > freed hostage
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Arabiya with Reuters
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Al-Qaeda-linked militants, who kidnapped hundreds of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > workers at a gas plant in the Algerian desert, said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they were after "crusaders" and not Algerian
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nationals, one of the released hostages told Al
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arabiya in an interview on Saturday.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The freed Algerian hostage also said that Algerians
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were treated better than foreigners as they were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed to use their phones and were promised that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they will be released shortly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "We [Algerians] did what we wanted, they did not tell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > us to switch off our cellphones, or interrogated us.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They told us to sit down and that they were not after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Algerians but after what they called crusaders," the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > former hostage said.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Qaeda-linked militants, who were angry at French
> > > > > > > > > > > > > intervention in Mali, wanted to send a clear message:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they could strike anywhere in the Sahara including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > terrorizing hundreds of foreigners from different
> > > > > > > > > > > > > backgrounds in Algeria.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "We saw the foreigners who were tiedâââ¬Ã¦
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we [Algerians] asked them that we wanted to leave,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they [militants] told us to sit down a bit with them,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe 1.5 hours till we are released."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Al-Taher bin Shanab was leading the group who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > kidnapped the hostages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the former captive, the group members
> > > > > > > > > > > > > called Shanab: "Emir Taha" or "Prince Taha;" a title
> > > > > > > > > > > > > commonly used by al-Qaeda members to denote to their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > superiors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "This Emir Taha told us, we came here to die and to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be martyrs, and that they wanted to talk to officials
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and generals that are ruling the country."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to freed captive, the militants were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "happy" with their operation, as they held "13
> > > > > > > > > > > > > foreigners hailing from different backgrounds such as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Norway, U.S. and Britain. They were all tied with one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suicide bomber watching them."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Veteran commander from Niger
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, according to Reuters, the field commander
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Islamist group that attacked the gas plant is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a veteran fighter from Niger and was called Abdul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahman al-Nigeri, Mauritanian news agencies reported.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigeri is said to be close to the overall commander
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the kidnappers, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, a veteran of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting in Afghanistan in the 1980s and Algeria's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > civil war of the 1990s who now has links with al
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Qaeda in the region.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Belmokhtar appears not to have been present during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the raid, which led to the deaths of an unspecified
> > > > > > > > > > > > > number of hostages. More than 20 foreigners were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > still missing or being held captive in the industrial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > gas plant on Saturday.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigeri was reported to be holed up in the plant near
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the town of In Amenas and holding seven hostages,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > according to the Mauritanian reports carried by the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > SITE monitoring service.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another of the group's leaders, Abu al-Bara'a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > al-Jaza'iri, had been killed at the gas field's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > residential complex, which has been retaken by the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Algerian army, according to the ANI news agency.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mauritanian news agencies have maintained contacts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Islamist groups in the region.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigeri joined the hardline Salafist Group for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Preaching and Combat (GSPC) in 2005 and participated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in several of its "major" missions in Mali,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mauritania and Niger, including a June 2005 attack on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a barracks in Mauritania where 17 soldiers were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > killed, the reports said.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 burned bodies found
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Algerian Special Forces on Saturday found 15 burned
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bodies at the desert gas plant attacked by al
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Qaeda-linked fighters, a source familiar with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > unfolding hostage crisis there said.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > An investigation was in progress to try and identify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the bodies, which were found after the Algerian army
> > > > > > > > > > > > > launched an operation to free dozens of foreign and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Algerian workers at the gas plant. There was no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > immediate indication of the circumstances in which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those found on Saturday had died.
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