Nih sekedar untuk memperluas cakrawala... Religious views of Adolf Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler --- In [email protected], "para_clete" wrote: > > Sebelum ada yg bantah, dan make a fool out of themselves... > > "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It > points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, > recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against > them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. > In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage > which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge > to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was > His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two > thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever > before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the > Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I > have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice > > Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The > Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, > Oxford University Press, 1942) > > > --- In [email protected], "para_clete" wrote: > > > > Hitler tuh kristen, woiii... !! > > > > Itu fakta, dan Hitler ga malu utk menggunakan ke kristenan dia utk > > ngebantai yahudi karena dia mempolitisasi dan meluncurkan propaganda punya > > tugas suci utk membalas bangsa yg membunuh Yesus! > > > > Masalah dia itu delusional psycopath ala robot gedek cum laude dan > > megalomaniac bajingan kelas kakap yg menggunakan kristen utk mendapatkan > > support politik right wing germans, ya soal lain. Tapi kalo ktp jerman ada > > kolom agamanya, ya Hitler itu Kristen. Dan bukan sekedar kristen ktp, dia > > kristen intense. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > Tinggal di Jerman 10 tahun, kok gobloknya kayak kacung. > > > Opini orang lain tentang Hitler dipercaya sebagai suatu kebenaran, > > > sementara tulisan otobiografi Hitler sendiri malahan nggak dipercaya. > > > > > > Bener2 dah, otaknya udah beku dan tuh pala isinya taik. > > > > > > Gw udah berkali-kali bilang bahwa tulisan gw diambil dari buku > > > otobiografinya Hitler sendiri, kok susah bener sih mengerti tulisan > > > sederhana kayak gitu. > > > > > > Apa lo mau bilang bahwa tulisan Ricahrd Evans lebih kredibel dari pada > > > tulisan Hitler tentang otobiografi Hitler? > > > > > > Goblok tuh jangan dipiara napa sih?! > > > > > > Sekarang kalo lo bilang Hitler bukan Kristen, lalu menurut lo sebagai > > > penginjil tukang tipu dan maling duit perpuluhan jemaatnya, agamanya > > > Hitler apaan dong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > lulusan pesantren satu ini dah malu karna tidak ada satupun sejarahwan > > > > kredibel dari major university diseluruh dunia yg mengatakan bahwa > > > > hitler itu kristen. > > > > > > > > dia bilang jangan percaya richard evans karna dia bukan orang jerman. > > > > menambah satu lagi bukti bahwa dia ini cuma lulusan pesantren. kalo lu > > > > ngomong gitu diuniversitas lu dah digotong security trus dilempar > > > > kerumah sakit jiwa. dimana logikanya coba kalo dia bukan orang jerman > > > > brarti ga qualified bicara sejarah jerman? tulul bukan kepalang. > > > > > > > > Pake bawa2 orang jerman segala, gali kubur sendiri. Lu pernah kaga > > > > tinggal dijerman? gw tinggal 10 tahun dijerman, ga sekalipun gw denger > > > > atau baca dari orang jerman kalo hitler itu kristen. Coba lu kutip ahli > > > > sejarah jerman yg bilang hitler itu kristen. dari universitas mana tuh > > > > ahli sejarah? > > > > > > > > fakta ga berubah. semua ahli sejarah dan pengikut2 hitler terdekat pun > > > > setuju kalo hitler bukan kristen. adanya perbedaan antara ucapan publik > > > > dan privat hitler itu dikarnakan hitler tidak mau adanya konflik yang > > > > akan memecah belah jerman. > > > > > > > > nah silahkan lu dakwah dipesantren, lu bego2in tuh para jihadist2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Udah nggak bisa membawa fakta dan data, maka seperti layaknya > > > > > penginjil tukang tipu, mulai lah melancarkan jurus anjing ngacir > > > > > sembari kaing2. > > > > > > > > > > Gw udah memberikan data dan fakta tentang Hitler adalah Kristen yang > > > > > taat dari buku yang ditulis Hitler sendiri. Tapi, dasar penginjil > > > > > penipu, bukannya memberikan data dan fakta yang sahih, si anjing > > > > > malahan ngacir kaing2 seperti anjing pasar digebukin tongkat. > > > > > > > > > > Si penginjil anjing malahan memberikan opini dari sejarawan Richards > > > > > Evans yang udah jelas bukan orang Jerman. Opini orang Inggris itu > > > > > diakui sebagai kebenaran oelh si penginjil anjing. Beginilah memang > > > > > tipikal orang Kristen dogol yang otaknya sudah beku sehingga tidak > > > > > bisa menerima pendapat orang lain. > > > > > > > > > > Sebenernya si anjing penginjil bukannya tidak mau menerima pendapat > > > > > orang lain, tapi otaknya sudah jumud dan sudah beku karena dibiasakan > > > > > untuk menerima dogma ajaran Kristen dogol, sehingga si anjing > > > > > penginjil sudah tidak terbiasa untuk berpikir lagi. > > > > > > > > > > Kesian... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > seperti biasa, bego teriak bego... > > > > > > > > > > > > lu pikir kalau seluruh ahli sejarah didunia ini sepakat tentang > > > > > > satu hal itu tanpa alasan? > > > > > > kalimat2 dari hitler yang gw kutip menyerang kristen itu pernyataan > > > > > > privat hitler yang diucapkan langsung dari mulut hitler kepada > > > > > > orang2 terdekatnya. > > > > > > makanya Richard Evans berkesimpulan seperti ini: Richard Evans > > > > > > concluded his statements on Hitler's religious views by suggesting > > > > > > that the gap between Hitler's public and private pronouncements was > > > > > > due to a desire not to cause a quarrel with the churches that might > > > > > > undermine national unity.[40] > > > > > > > > > > > > nah lo kalo mau ngomong sejarah kalo hitler itu kristen dipesantren > > > > > > aja. keep living in denial. ga usah melek ama fakta. makanya lu > > > > > > bisa percaya islam kan? coba aja lu mau melek LOLOLOLOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lo tuh emang dogolnya kelewatan ya... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gw bilang bahwa Hitler itu Kristen yang taat dari tulisannya dia > > > > > > > sendiri di buku otobiografi "Mein Kampf". Lo baca nggak tulisan > > > > > > > gw, atau lo cuman sekedar ngeloco aja sambil mbaca pake biji > > > > > > > peler? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Si goblok penginjil penipu ini malahan ngomong dari komentar > > > > > > > orang lain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lo tau nggak mereka itu cuman sekedar memberikan komentar, awal > > > > > > > tulisannya aja "According to..", ini artinya hanya opini aja. > > > > > > > Jadi, menurut lo, yang n,qnya sebuqh opini itu merupakan suatu > > > > > > > kebenaran?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasar penginjil goblok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tuh lu baca, nah sekarang lu boleh nangis kalo selama ini lu > > > > > > > > baru sadar kalo lu diboongin ama kyai2 di pesantren. ga ada > > > > > > > > sejarahwan kredibel dari major university diseluruh dunia ini > > > > > > > > yang bilang hitler itu kristen. cuma orang islam doang apalagi > > > > > > > > islam indonesia yang lulusan pesantren aja yg masih ngotot. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scholarly opinion > > > > > > > > According to Max Domarus Hitler promoted the idea of God as the > > > > > > > > creator of Germany, but Hitler "was not a Christian in any > > > > > > > > accepted meaning of that word."[43] Domarus also points out > > > > > > > > that Hitler did not believe in organized religion and did not > > > > > > > > see himself as a religious reformer.[43] According to historian > > > > > > > > Laurence Rees, "Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he > > > > > > > > did believe he would have a life after death because of what he > > > > > > > > had achieved."[44] Historian Richard Overy maintains that > > > > > > > > Hitler was not a "practising Christian," nor was he a "thorough > > > > > > > > atheist."[45] According to Robert S. Wistrich Hitler thought > > > > > > > > Christianity was finished but he did not want any direct > > > > > > > > confrontation for strategic reasons.[46] Samuel Koehne, a > > > > > > > > Research Fellow at the Alfred Deakin Research Institute, > > > > > > > > working on the official Nazi views on religion, answers the > > > > > > > > question Was Hitler a Christian? thus: "Emphatically not, if we > > > > > > > > consider Christianity in its traditional or orthodox form: > > > > > > > > Jesus as the son of God, dying for the redemption of the sins > > > > > > > > of all humankind. It is a nonsense to state that Hitler (or any > > > > > > > > of the Nazis) adhered to Christianity of this form."[47] Koehne > > > > > > > > says Hitler was probably not an atheist and refers to the fact > > > > > > > > that recent works have asserted that he was a deist.[47] > > > > > > > > Richard Evans concluded his statements on Hitler's religious > > > > > > > > views by suggesting that the gap between Hitler's public and > > > > > > > > private pronouncements was due to a desire not to cause a > > > > > > > > quarrel with the churches that might undermine national > > > > > > > > unity.[40] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gw udah asih foto Hitler dengan Paus, tulisan Hitler di Mein > > > > > > > > > Kampf, lo malahan ngeles kasih tulisan konsesi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Konsesi siapa? > > > > > > > > > Konsesi pendeta tukang tipu, maling yang nyolong perpuluhan > > > > > > > > > duit umatnya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mana bisa dipercaya tuh, konsesi isinya maling, penipu yang > > > > > > > > > dengan seenaknya dewe mengatakan bahwa seseorang bukan > > > > > > > > > Krsiten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasar goblok... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gw kasih nama sejarahwan bener, richard evans, sejarahwan > > > > > > > > > > dari cambridge, lu kasih gw website level pesantren and > > > > > > > > > > wikipedia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cuma menambah bukti kalo lu ga pernah ngerasain bangku > > > > > > > > > > universitas. > > > > > > > > > > lu tau kagak kalo wikipedia tuh dilarang jadi referensi > > > > > > > > > > diuniversitas? > > > > > > > > > > kagak tau kan? ya emang, lu cuma high school dropout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagian kalo lo mau pake wikipedia ya baca yang bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > konsensus dikalangan sejarahwan ya memang hitler bukan > > > > > > > > > > kristen. kasian deh lo, ga pernah didukung ahli2 sejarah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lo masih menolak bahwa Hitler adalah seorang Kristen yang > > > > > > > > > > > taat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26878,_Berlin,_Neujahrsempfang_in_der_neuen_Reichskanzlei.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler melakukan holocaust mendapatkan "restu" dari paus > > > > > > > > > > > pius xii, makanya dia nggak sungkan2 membunuh sekian juta > > > > > > > > > > > yahudi. Lha wong memang Jesus bilang, Saduki dan Farisi > > > > > > > > > > > adalah keturunan ular beludak.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lo tuh, orang Kristen goblok yang pantatin ajaran Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > dengan percaya omongan orang Saduki dan Farisi. Dasar > > > > > > > > > > > geblek... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan seperti umumnya orang Kristen, langsung dah melakukan > > > > > > > > > > > denial, bilang Hitler adalah Islam, dan didukung mufti > > > > > > > > > > > Palestina segala macem. Padahal, udah jelas2 Hitler > > > > > > > > > > > adalah Kristen yang taat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo ada orang ngaku2 kristen terus dia ngebunuh jutaan > > > > > > > > > > > > orang terus kita langsung nuduh nih orang kristen semua > > > > > > > > > > > > bejad, kan lucu. padahal dikekristenan ga ada ajarannya > > > > > > > > > > > > sama sekali yg model begitu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lha.., makanya gw bilang Kristen tuh agama hipokrit. > > > > > > > > > > > Sok ngajarin menyebarkan kebaikan dan kasih, tapi > > > > > > > > > > > kenyataan umatnya malahan bertentangan dengan ajaran > > > > > > > > > > > kasih. Ajaran Jesus yang mengajarkan kasih dipantatin > > > > > > > > > > > oleh umatnya sendiri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Di buku Mein Kampf dia menulis, > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance > > > > > > > > > > > with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending > > > > > > > > > > > myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the > > > > > > > > > > > Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church > > > > > > > > > > > and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. > > > > > > > > > > > In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a > > > > > > > > > > > fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents > > > > > > > > > > > selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lo kutip tulisan Hitler darimana tuh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasar lo penginjil maling dan tukang kibul... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler orang kristen? nah keliatan cuma baca website > > > > > > > > > > > > pesantren. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Banyak yg bilang dia kristen soalnya dia dibaptis. Lah > > > > > > > > > > > > dia dibaptisnya waktu bayi, jadi dia ga punya pilihan > > > > > > > > > > > > waktu itu, ga bisa nolak. Bagian mana dari kelakuan > > > > > > > > > > > > hitler yg mencerminkan ajaran Yesus? kan mestinya > > > > > > > > > > > > begitu pertanyaannya. Tolong dijawab, jangan ngeles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo lu tanya gw bagian mana kelakuan hitler yg mirip > > > > > > > > > > > > muhammad mah jawabannya banyak bgt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo ada orang ngaku2 kristen terus dia ngebunuh jutaan > > > > > > > > > > > > orang terus kita langsung nuduh nih orang kristen semua > > > > > > > > > > > > bejad, kan lucu. padahal dikekristenan ga ada ajarannya > > > > > > > > > > > > sama sekali yg model begitu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sejarahwan Richard Evans mengatakan bahwa gereja itu > > > > > > > > > > > > salah satu kendala terbesar bagi nazi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketika Hitler berada dipuncak kekuasaannya, dia mulai > > > > > > > > > > > > gencar melemahkan gereja. Setelah tahun 1937, nazi > > > > > > > > > > > > berhenti dan melarang perayaan natal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan ketika mereka berdoa makan, mereka tidak berterima > > > > > > > > > > > > kasih kepada > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuhan, melainkan kepada 'Fuhrer' (pemimpin). Pendeta2 > > > > > > > > > > > > dan para pelayan > > > > > > > > > > > > gereja ditangkapi, banyak juga yang dibunuh. Gereja > > > > > > > > > > > > dibawah pengawasan > > > > > > > > > > > > ketat nazi. Sekolah kristen ditutup, organisasi kristen > > > > > > > > > > > > dibubarkan, > > > > > > > > > > > > pejabat beragama kristen dipecat, property gereja > > > > > > > > > > > > disita dan lain > > > > > > > > > > > > sebagainya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Berlinski, seorang yahudi berkata: "apa yang > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler tidak percaya, yang Stalin tidak percaya, yang > > > > > > > > > > > > Mao tidak percaya,...bahwa Tuhan melihat kita". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nih gw kutip perkataan hitler sendiri: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nih saya kutip perkataan hitler yg justru nyerang > > > > > > > > > > > > kristen: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > National Socialism and religion cannot exist > > > > > > > > > > > > together.... The heaviest blow > > > > > > > > > > > > that ever struck humanity was the coming of > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity. Bolshevism is > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Jew. The > > > > > > > > > > > > deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced > > > > > > > > > > > > into the world by > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity > > > > > > > > > > > > brought man the life of > > > > > > > > > > > > the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order > > > > > > > > > > > > of things. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th October, 1941, midday: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a > > > > > > > > > > > > protest against nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean > > > > > > > > > > > > the systematic cultivation > > > > > > > > > > > > of the human failure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural > > > > > > > > > > > > death.... When > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding of the universe has become widespread... > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian doctrine will > > > > > > > > > > > > be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached > > > > > > > > > > > > the peak of absurdity.... > > > > > > > > > > > > And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...the only way to get > > > > > > > > > > > > rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by > > > > > > > > > > > > little.... Christianity the > > > > > > > > > > > > liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > spread abroad teachings in > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict with the interests of the State. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine nothing more > > > > > > > > > > > > senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of the Godhead into a > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to > > > > > > > > > > > > wish that the Italians > > > > > > > > > > > > and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity. Let's be the > > > > > > > > > > > > only people who are immunised against the disease > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler sendiri aja membunuh 6 juta orang, lo sebagai > > > > > > > > > > > > > penginjil menjadi tukang tipu ngibulin kolekte dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpuluhan umat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hipokrit kan?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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