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--- In [email protected], "rezameutia" wrote: > > Tu die yang gw maksud karena situs sampah yang bau, makanya anjing2 pada > demen maen di sampah. > > Abis, emang Kristen2 dogol bermental anjing demen banget makan taik sih. > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rahwana wrote: > > > > situs faithfreedom dibilang website sampah karena ngomongin sampah (baca: > > islam)....makanya yg punya sampah (orang islam) pada mencak2 kalo sampahnya > > dikritik bau ....hwakakakakakak....... > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:32 AM, rezameutia wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Memang Kristen goblok kayak elo come and go di milis ini. > > > > > > Jadi, kutipan dari website sampah seperti faithfreedom, answering islam, > > > itu mah barang basi disini. Buat Keristen dogol seperti elo, website itu > > > merupakan barang baru, disini mah itu barang basi. > > > > > > Tapi, kan memang tipikal anjing Kristen seperti item, elo makanannya emang > > > taik dan sampah, makanya gw sih nggak heran Kristen dogol seperti elo > > > kutip > > > website sampah itu berkali-kali. > > > > > > Lo copas tulisan "Perang Salib adalah Perang Defensif", nanti kalo > > > ditanggepin ama gw atau Johny, palingan omongan lo ngumpet dibalik nama > > > sejarahwan Madden. > > > > > > Sama lah ketika membahas Hitler adalah Kristen yang taat, lo bukannya > > > membahas pake data dan fakta, tapi lo malahan ngumpet dibalik nama > > > Bernard. > > > Tetep aja muter2 bawa nama Bernard mulu. > > > > > > Orang Kristen goblok kayak elo dan item memang kapasitas otaknya terbatas > > > cuman bisanya copas, lalu setelah itu muter2 kayak anjing. Nggak ada level > > > kecerdasan intelektual yang bisa mendukung argumen yang dibawa. > > > > > > Abis, emang segitu sih kapasitas otak lo. Keliatan kok, Kristen dogol > > > kayak elo memang sering copas website faithfreedom, answering islam, dan > > > website sampah lainnya. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > WOW, I actually read the whole thing. sangat bagus. > > > > > > > > gw kutip sebagian yg berhubungan dengan beberapa topik debat terakhir > > > dimilis ini. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Muslimin ternyata tidak dapat melihat gajah didepan > > > > mata, namun titik noda diseberang lautan mereka sangat > > > > suka membesar2kan. Perang Salib terjadi 900 tahun yang > > > > lalu (1095 A.D). Bagaimana dengan kejahatan Muslimin > > > > yang terjadi dulu dan sekarang ? Apakah petinggi Sunni > > > > ini juga meminta maaf bagi pembunuhan masal 9/11, atau > > > > pembantaian di Madrid, Beslan dsb dsb ? Bagaimana > > > > dengan invasi Eropa dan penjajahan Spanyol ? DImana > > > > permintaan maaf Muslim ? > > > > > > > > Dunia barat tidak memiliki satu alasanpun untuk > > > > meminta maaf kepada dunia Muslim. Thomas F. Madden, > > > > associate professor dan ketua Department of History di > > > > Universitas Saint Louis dan penulis "A Concise History > > > > of the Crusades" mengatakan, "PERANG SALIB ADALAH > > > > PERANG DEFENSIF." > > > > > > > > "Perang ini adalah tanggapan Barat yang terlambat atas > > > > invasi Muslim terhadap dua-pertiga dunia Kristen," ia > > > > tulis dalam kolum National Review."Pada permulaan abad > > > > 7-10, saat kaum Arab sibuk memperluas kekuasaan dan > > > > mencaplok negara2 sekelilingnya, Eropa sibuk membela > > > > diri melawan invasi bangsa2 lain. Hanya dalam abad ke > > > > 11 Eropa sanggup mencurahkan perhatian kepada orang2 > > > > Arab." > > > > > > > > Menurut Madden, peristiwa yang memulai Perang Salib > > > > adalah penjajahan Turki atas sebagian besar Asia Minor > > > > milik Kristen. > > > > "Kaisar Kristen di Konstantinopel, menghadapi > > > > lenyapnya setengah jumlah kekuasannya, kemudian > > > > meminta bantuan kepada Eropa. Ia mendapatkannya, malah > > > > lebih dari yang ia inginkan," tulis Madden. > > > > > > > > WorldNetDaily.com melaporkan: > > > > âDalam beberapa tahun akhir2 ini, pengumuman dari > > > > Al-Azhar menimbulkan kontroversi. Pada tahun 2003, > > > > Sheik Agung Al-Azhar, Muhamad Sayyid Tantawi, > > > > mengatakan bahwa berdasarkan hukum Islam, suicide > > > > bombers dianggap "martyrs". " > > > > > > > > Desember 2002, the Islamic Ruling Committee di > > > > Al-Azhar memutuskan bahwa kepemilikan senjata nuklir > > > > adalah kewajiban agama bagi negara2 Islam. Anggota > > > > panel tsb, Sheikh Ala A-Shanawi mengatakan, "Bangsa > > > > Islam harus mengenal musuh dan mempersiapkan diri." > > > > A-Shanawi menulis, "Rasulullah sendiri akan > > > > mempersiapkan diri dengan segala sumber yang > > > > dimungkinkan guna menghadapi musuh. Oleh karena itu, > > > > jika bangsa Islam tidak dilengkapi dengan persenjataan > > > > yang diinginkan, mereka terpaksa menderita > > > > konsekwensi." > > > > > > > > Dilanjutkannya, "Semua bangsa Islam diwajibkan untuk > > > > merebut persenjataan nuklir. Kami melihat bagaimana > > > > bangsa kita terbelakang akibat kurang persiapan, > > > > sementara musuh melengkapi diri dengan persenjataan > > > > yang paling maju, yang akan digunakannya untuk melukai > > > > dan menghancurkan Muslimin." > > > > > > > > Mengingat sejarah dan sikap Muslimin, menuntut Paus > > > > agar meminta maaf adalah sungguh keterlaluan. Pelaku > > > > perang Salib memang melebihi mandat dan terlibat > > > > tindakan brutal. Namun ini adalah balasan terhadap > > > > kebiadaban Muslimin. Mengapa para petinggti Muslim > > > > tidak menyebut barbaritas Muslim di Iran, Byzantium, > > > > Mesir atau India? Di India sendiri lebih dari 80 juta > > > > orang dibantai oleh pasukan Muslim. Ini lebih banyak > > > > dari korban total Perang Dunia I dan II. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Si reza bakal tetap menyangkal tuh kalo memang crusade itu perang > > > defensif terhadap invasi islam, seperti yg gw bilang sebelumnya. > > > > > > > > si jon juga bakal nangis ngeraung2 dilantai kalo dia tau korban diindia > > > oleh islam, ternyata jumlahnya melebihi perang dunia 1 dan 2. itu baru > > > diindia, belum ngitung totalnya. kalo ini bener islam taat jon, bunuh > > > bawa2 > > > ayat quran dan perintah nabi. bukan islam liberal hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Item abu sudah sering bilang bahwa Islam itu memang tidak mengenal > > > golden rule... > > > > > > > > > > Dan tahun 2005 sudah ada yang ngirim ini: > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/174859 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak mengajarkan golden rule. > > > > > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam and the Golden Rule > > > > > > by Ali Sina > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 May, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > From faithfreedom.org: > > > > > > > > > > > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable defender > > > of > > > > > > the Western civilization, send me the following email and asked me > > > > > > to > > > > > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I wrote four > > > > > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden Rule. Here > > > is > > > > > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and the > > > Golden > > > > > > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any guidance > > > > > > you > > > > > > can give me on responding to this would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good - to > > > > > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, > > > > > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the > > > > > > wayfarer > > > > > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]: For God > > > loveth > > > > > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) > > > > > > > > > > > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by stating in > > > more > > > > > > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness." (13:22, > > > > > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you have faith until you love for your neighbor what you > > > > > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter > > > > > > Paradise should treat the people as he wishes to be treated." > > > > > > (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he > > > > > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while his neighbour > > > > > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto you; and reject > > > > > > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu Dawud) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." (Farewell Sermon) > > > > > > > > > > > > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm." (Ibn- > > > > > > Majah) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are > > > exhortations > > > > > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan and the > > > > > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to start a religion you > > > must > > > > > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to believe you. You > > > > > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you must > > > > > > teach > > > > > > things that people like and can easily identify as good. Once they > > > > > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then you can > > > do > > > > > > whatever you want and get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman is in > > > their > > > > > > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that can be > > > > > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal can give you good > > > > > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A City within > > > Our > > > > > > City. Every week the producer would interview a prison inmate on > > > death > > > > > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and what > > > brought > > > > > > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would ask, > > > whether > > > > > > the criminal had any advice for young people. These criminals often > > > had > > > > > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between right and > > > > > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the advices of > > > these > > > > > > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good words are > > > dime > > > > > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they are > > > worthless. > > > > > > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is in how > > > much > > > > > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by giving > > > > > > good > > > > > > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and chicanery. > > > > > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim Jones who > > > > > > actually based his religion on "social justice". He even adopted > > > > > > children from many races to set the example. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they are > > > > > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says, "None of you > > > > > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for > > > > > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The Quran > > > > > > (9:23 > > > > > > ) states that > > > > > > the believers should not take for friends and protectors (awlia) > > > their > > > > > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In fact > > > there > > > > > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the unbelievers and be > > > > > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden > > > > > > Rule is the verse (48:29) > > > > > > : "Muhammad > > > > > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong > > > against > > > > > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." This is the > > > > > > perfect definition of fascism. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in Islam is > > > > > > not > > > > > > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not be > > > treated in > > > > > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire Quran is a > > > > > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay the > > > > > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 > > > > > > ), do not > > > > > > befriend them (3:28 > > > > > > ), fight them > > > > > > and show them harshness (9:123 > > > > > > ), smite their > > > > > > heads (47:4 ), > > > > > > > > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule? > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to do evil > > > to > > > > > > others for the simple fact that they are not believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines the good > > > and > > > > > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is good for > > > > > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in Islam. This is the > > > > > > > > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum Shinrikyo" to Jim > > > > > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung Moon's > > > > > > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's "Davidian > > > > > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's interests > > > > > > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In order to > > > advance > > > > > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate good, > > > > > > everything, including lying, and even murder and assassination are > > > > > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it justifies the > > > > > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the glorification of > > > the > > > > > > state and the total subordination of the individual to it are > > > enforced. > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the Golden > > > Rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous with > > > > > > their > > > > > > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers. The more > > > > > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be manipulated. > > > Verse > > > > > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of evil for > > > > > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan verse where > > > > > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he preached > > > > > > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes as > > > friend. > > > > > > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when Muhammad > > > > > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred entire > > > > > > populations just because he suspected that they may not be friendly > > > to > > > > > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever forgives > > > and > > > > > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. However, Muhammad never > > > > > > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's unforgiving nature > > > > > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when Muhammad > > > was in > > > > > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the Battle of > > > Badr, > > > > > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to expostulate, and > > > > > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the other > > > captives > > > > > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity to God and to his > > > > > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!' cried > > > > > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of > > > > > > her?' `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless conqueror; > > > > > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. `Wretch that > > > > > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! Unbeliever in > > > > > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give thanks unto the Lord > > > that > > > > > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell sermon > > > > > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." With the fact > > > > > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are allowed in > > > > > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or ethnic > > > > > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of Pagans? > > > > > > > > > > > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a manifesto of > > > > > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is proof > > > > > > that > > > > > > Islam is against the Golden Rule > > > > > > > > > > > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others is to > > > > > > accept that they have feelings like us and they also feel hurt the > > > way > > > > > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any remorse > > > in > > > > > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in Allah are > > > the > > > > > > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will end up in > > > hell > > > > > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims can treat > > > > > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and that > > > deserve > > > > > > eternal punishment? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us believe > > > that > > > > > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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