On 29 Nov 2005, at 19:07, komodo_nyc wrote:
> Jusfiq siapa bilang dalam kristen ada demokrasi, elo lupa sejarah
> salah satu orang pintar di zaman yunani dulu yang di bunuh karena
> tidak percaya pada jesus, gue lupa namanya, nanti kalo ingat gue
> kasih tau elo.
>
Manusia dungu kayak anjing yang penuh dengki...
Dia bicara tentang " Zaman Yunani dulu..."
Sedangkan saya jelas bilang:
"Inilah yang bagus di dunia Nasrani sekarang. "
> Sebenarnya dalam islam itu di larang untuk saling membunuh.
> Di dalam alquran kalo memang elo baca tafsir dengan benar tanpa ada
> prejudice sebelumnya, elo akan banyak menemukan kata2 agar manusia
> bersabar menghadapi segala cobaan hidup. Semakin tinggi tingkat
> sabar dan taqwanya semakin tinggi levelnya di mata Allah SWT.
>
Taik anjing!
Al-Mushaf dengan jelas menyuruh mukmin berperang, artinya
membunuh manusia.
> Cuma seperti yang elo ketahui, begitu banyaknya propaganda dari
> dunia barat thd Islam, kita tidak bakalan menemukan berita yang
> tanpa bias tentang islam kalau kita membaca mainstream media saat
> ini khususnya di amrik, hampir semua media masa membrainwash pikiran
> pembacanya betapa buruknya Islam hanya karena tindakan orang2
> tertentu yang tidak Islami. gak usah jauh2 contohnya peristiwa wtc,
> yang jadi kambing hitam siapa ... islam kan, padahal gue yakin kalo
> elo gak tolol2 amat elo pasti tau siapa mastermindnya.
Mossad?
CIA?
Dan bukan al-Qaeda?
> Begitu juga
> peristiwa pemboman di oklahoma, pertama2 yg dituduh adalah islam
> tapi ternyata kulit putih yangmelakukannya, begitu juga peristiwa2
> lainnya yang terjadi di belahan bumi lain. Semua itu di lakukan
> untuk menjustify bhw islam itu identik dengan terorisme, jadi kita
> harus serang mereka, padahal ada agenda lain di balik penyerangan ke
> negara2 islam tsb.
Madrid, London, Bali, Kuningan, Beslan itu, antara lain,
jelas kerjaan orang Islam.
Elo tau sendiri donk negara2 yang diserang tsb.
> kan kaya raya. Tapi apa elo sempat mikir nasib anak2 dan wanita2
> yang tidak berdosa yang mati begitu saja, kekayaan alamnya di
> rampok, civiliannya di tangkap dan di torture, dan secara
> psikologis, orang yang tidak salah tetapi ditangkap, disiksa, ibu
> dan sdr perempuannya di perkosa, yg tadinya cuma anak sekolah baik2,
> karena merasa di perlakukan tidak adil membalas dendam, once dia
> balas dendam dunia langsung menjudge dia sebagai teroris, tapi biang
> terorisnya itu sebenarnya siapa??? THINK Jusfiq. Tolong sebut ke gue
> berapa banyak negara barat yang melakukan pembunuhan terhadap
> penduduk lokal [Indian, aborigin] dan menjajah negara lain yang
> membawa begitu banyak war casualties. Berapa banyak orang islam yang
> melakukan hal yang sama? Coba belajar statisktik sedikit.
>
Kesalahan katolik yang lama telah diakui sebagai kesalahan dan
Paus telah meminta forgiveness untuk itu!...
> Kalau kita lihat dari sisi mereka yang di oppress oleh para
> oppressor berdasi in their daily life [spt palestinia people],
> namanya juga manusia, mungkin hilang sudah sifat sabarnya, elo
> bayangkan aja abangnya, adiknya, ayahnya, malah mungkin ibunya
> dibunuh oleh tentara israel, kalau mereka membalad dendam dengan
> bom bunuh diri, mungkin itu satu2nya jalan agar mereka di dengar
> oleh dunia luar, "where is justice, so many of our people have been
> killed tapi siapa yang membela mereka". Begitu hebatnya lobby yahudi
> dan conspiracy tingkat tinggi di dunia ini.
>
Gini nyong, orang Palestina sudah mau berunding dengan Israel...
> Orang Islam sangat menghargai ALQURAN karena itu kata2 dari Allah
> SWT, jadi kalau ada orang yang menuliskan alquran di tubuhnya
> telanjang lagi, itu suatu penghinaan yang sangat besar terhadap
> ALLAH SWT, kalau ada orang yang menafsirkan dengan memutar balikan
> isi yang sebenarnya idem ditto, jadi kalau nyawanya terancam jangan
> salahkan mereka yang tidak bisa menerima TUHANNYA dipermainkan oleh
> manusia yang hina. Kaum muslim mengahargai Tuhannya di atas
> segalanya. Don't start the fire cuz some people they could not take
> it!!
>
Manusia dungu yang masih percaya tahun 2005 ini bahwa al-Mushaf
berisi wahyu Allah.
Saya ulang:TIDAK ada bukti al-Mushaf itu berisi wahyu Allah.
> Kalo kristen mereka tidak perduli, karena mereka sendiri tidak
> yakin akan ajarannya sendiri, tidak yakin apakah injil itu kata2
> tuhan atau bisa2nya si markus, petrus, paulus, dll saja. Who give a
> damn, kalaunpun isi injil [berbentuk selebaran2] yang suka di
> bagikan di subway2 kepada para commuter kereta api, dan oleh
> sebagian mereka didudukin, di buang begitu saja di bawah bangku atau
> langsung di buang ke tong sampah ... no body give a shit, because
> what? because they don't care anymore and they don't have trust in
> bible.
>
Ni orang ngeributin urusan orang Nasarni dengan kitab sucinya
saat dia sendiri nggak ngurusin urusannya, yaitu al-Mushaf yang
tidak berbukti berisi wahyu Allah dan yang sarat ajaran buas,
kejam, keji lagi biadab itu.
> Itu bedanya antara orang islam dan kreisten, Islam percaya Alquran
> wahyu Allah yang diberikan kepada nabi muhammad SAW beda dengan
> injil yang cuma kata2 dari muridnya jesus. Injil di revisi berkali2
> dan banyak sekali kontradiksinya semnetara alquran di janjikan oleh
> Allah akan tetap orisinil sampai di akhir zaman. Beribu2 orang
> didunia ini hapal ayat2 alquran [Hafiz quran] shg jika ada satu
> ayatpun yang di palsukan akan ketahuan. Coba elo cari tau apakah ada
> satu manusiapun di dunia ini yang bisa menghapal injil words by
> words?? Sehingga kalaupun di potong2 atau di revisi isinya ummatnya
> gak ada yang enggeh. Injil gak beda dengan buku pelajaran sekolah
> yang hampir tiap edisi ada revisinya.
>
> SO BEDANYA CUKUP SIGNIFICANT BUKAN ANTARA INJIL DAN QURAN?
>
Bedanya adalah, antara lain:
Vatikan dan gereja anggota WCC memahami ajaran agamanya secara
manusiawi, sedangkan ajaran Islam itu masih buas, kejam, keji,
biadab serta ganas.
>
> --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq Hadjar"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Inilah yang bagus di dunia Nasrani sekarang.
> >
> > Sejak zaman Reformasi, mereka rata-rata bersikap kritis
> > dihadapan kitab suci mereka.
> >
> > Hingga sekarang.
> >
> > Macem-macem cara mereka sekarang memahami kitab suci mereka.
> >
> > Ada yang bilang Bible sarat kontradiksi, seperti dibawah ini..
> >
> > Ada yang bilang Yesus anak haram, seperti sejumlah rohanian
> > Anglikan...
> >
> > Macem-macem...
> >
> > Dan bila ada perbedaan pendapat mereka nggak LAGI main bunuh
> > atau main ancam.
> >
> > Beda dengan yang terjadi didunia Islam, dimana orang Islam yang
> > berbeda pendapat dalam memahami kitab sucinya, mereka MASIH
> > main bunuh atau main tindas...
> >
> > Di dunia Nasrani, tidak ada lagi persekusi seperti yang dialami
> > oleh Taslimah Nasrin, Abu Zaid atau Salman Rushdie..
> >
> > Atau Muh.Taha yang mati digantung di Sudan...
> >
> > Lihat pula apa yang terjadi dengan orang Ahmadiyah...
> >
> > Orang Islam kudu belajar dari orang Nasrani cara untuk
> berhenti
> > main tindas dan main bunuh...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 Nov 2005, at 17:25, komodo_nyc wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > INILAH KENYATAAN KITAB INJIL YANG DI AGUNG2KAN GEMBALA2 YANG
> MERASA
> > > DIRINYA BENAR, SUKA MENGUPAS DAN MEMPLINTIR KITAB ORANG LAIN
> SEENAK
> > > UDELNYA, TANPA MELIHAT KE DALAM ISI PERUT SENDIRI.
> > >
> > > DAN MENURUT MAJALAH AWAKE [MAJALAH NYA ORANG JEHOVA], DI DALAM
> INJIL
> > > ITU LEBIH DARI 5.000 KONTRADIKSI, BUAT YG GAK PERCAYA TANYA SAJA
> > > SAMA TEMAN JEHOVANYA!!!
> > >
> > > SAYANG GUE GAK ADA WKT U/MENTRANSLATE KE BAHASA INDONESIA,
> MUNGKIN
> > > JUSTFIQ, KIMHOK DAN SANG CENDIKIAWAN MUSKITAWATI BERKENAN
> > > MELAKUKANNYA.
> > >
> > >
> > > Re: Bible Contadictions - Cardiology - Dr. Andrew B. Chung,
> > > MD/PhD2004-01-26 17:31:01.0
> > > "wholey_smoke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > > Bible Contradictions
> > >
> > >
> > > Bible Contradictions
> > >
> > > PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians
> > > 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the
> bible!
> > > There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using
> > > the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators
> > > disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion?
> > > Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an
> omniscient
> > > and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?
> > >
> > > "If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I
> > > Corinthians 14:8,
> > >
> > > "who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except
> ye
> > > utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be
> > > known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." Exactly!
> > > Paul should have practiced what he preached. For almost two
> > > millennia, the bible has been producing a most "uncertain sound."
> > >
> > > The problem is not with human limitations, as some claim. The
> > > problem is the bible itself. People who are free of theological
> bias
> > > notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should
> it
> > > surprise us when such aliterary and moral mish-mash, taken
> > > seriously, causes so much discord? Hereis a brief sampling of
> > > biblical contradictions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Should we kill?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
> > > b.. Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely
> be
> > > put to death."
> > > vs.
> > > c.. Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put
> every
> > > man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his
> > > brother, . . . companion, ... . neighbor."
> > > d.. I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the
> Lord
> > > had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
> > > e.. I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and
> smite
> > > Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them
> not;
> > > but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
> > > camel and ass. . . .And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and
> utterly
> > > destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
> > > f.. Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him
> without
> > > the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord
> > > commanded Moses."
> > > g.. Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants
> shall
> > > be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be
> ripped
> > > up."
> > > For a discussion of the defense that the Commandments prohibit
> only
> > > murder, see "Murder, He Wrote", chapter 27 (Losing Faith In
> Faith:
> > > From Preacher To Atheist).
> > >
> > > Should we tell lies?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
> > > b.. Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
> > > vs.
> > > c.. I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the
> mouth
> > > of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil
> concerning
> > > thee."
> > > d.. II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send
> them
> > > strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
> > >
> > > Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.
> > >
> > > Should we steal?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
> > > b.. Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor,
> neither
> > > rob him."
> > > vs.
> > > c.. Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
> > > d.. Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the
> > > Egyptians."
> > > e.. Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying,
> Go
> > > ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet
> > > never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man
> ask
> > > you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because
> the
> > > Lord hath need of him. . . .
> > > And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto
> > > them, Why
> > > loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
> > > I was taught as a child that when you take something without
> > > asking for it, that is stealing.
> > >
> > > Shall we keep the sabbath?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
> > > b.. Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day,
> he
> > > shallsurely be put to death."
> > > c.. Numbers 15:32,36 "And while the children of Israel were in
> the
> > > wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the
> sabbath
> > > day. . .
> > > .. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and
> stoned
> > > him with
> > > stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Isaiah 1:13 "The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of
> > > assemblies, I
> > > cannot away with; it is iniquity."
> > > e.. John 5:16 "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and
> > > sought to
> > > slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day."
> > > f.. Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
> or in
> > > drink,
> > > or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the
> sabbath
> > > days."
> > >
> > > Shall we make graven images?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
> image,
> > > or any
> > > likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
> > > b.. Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven
> image,
> > > neither
> > > rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image
> of
> > > stone."
> > > c.. Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any
> graven or
> > > molten
> > > image."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold,
> of
> > > beaten
> > > work shalt thou make them."
> > > e.. I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars
> of
> > > brass . .
> > > .. and two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten
> > > sea . . . it
> > > stood upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]"
> > >
> > > Are we saved through works?
> > > a.. Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through
> faith . . .
> > > not of
> > > works."
> > > b.. Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there
> shall
> > > no flesh
> > > be justified in his sight."
> > > c.. Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the
> > > works of
> > > the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is
> justified,
> > > and not
> > > by faith only."
> > > e.. Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him,
> Good
> > > Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal
> life?
> > > And he
> > > [Jesus] said unto him . . . keep the commandments. . . . The
> young
> > > man saith
> > > unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what
> lack I
> > > yet?
> > > Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that
> thou
> > > hast,
> > > and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."
> > > The common defense here is that "we are saved by faith and
> works."
> > > But
> > > Paul said "not of works."
> > >
> > >
> > > Should good works be seen?
> > > a.. Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they
> may
> > > see
> > > your good works."
> > > b.. I Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the
> > > Gentiles: that
> > > .. . . they may by your good works, which they shall behold,
> glorify
> > > God in
> > > the day of visitation."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before
> men,
> > > to be
> > > seen of them . . . that thine alms may be in secret."
> > > d.. Matthew 23:3,5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees']
> > > works. . . . all
> > > their works they do for to be seen of men."
> > >
> > >
> > > Should we own slaves?
> > > a.. Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the
> strangers
> > > that do
> > > sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be
> your
> > > possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
> > > b.. Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a
> servant
> > > of
> > > servants shall he be unto his brethren."
> > > c.. Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he
> > > shall
> > > serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for
> nothing. . . .
> > > And if a
> > > man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out
> as
> > > the
> > > manservants do."
> > > d.. Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters
> into
> > > the hand
> > > of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the
> Sabeans,
> > > to a
> > > people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
> > > e.. Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which
> knew
> > > his
> > > lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to
> his
> > > will,
> > > shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did
> > > commit
> > > things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
> > > f.. Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your
> masters."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > g.. Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the
> oppressed go
> > > free, .
> > > .. . break every yoke."
> > > h.. Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is
> your
> > > Master,
> > > even Christ."
> > > Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the
> South
> > > during
> > > the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch
> > > Reformed
> > > Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-
> > > slavery
> > > verses than cited here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Does God change his mind?
> > > a.. Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
> > > b.. Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie;
> neither
> > > the son
> > > of man, that he should repent."
> > > c.. Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to
> > > pass, and I
> > > will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither
> will I
> > > repent."
> > > d.. James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no
> > > variableness,
> > > neither shadow of turning."
> > > vs.
> > > e.. Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he
> > > thought to do
> > > unto his people."
> > > f.. Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made
> man
> > > on the
> > > earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have
> > > created from
> > > the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made
> > > him."
> > > g.. Jonah 3:10 ". . . and God repented of the evil, that he
> had
> > > said that
> > > he would do unto them; and he did it not."
> > > See also II Kings 20:1-7, Numbers 16:20-35, Numbers 16:44-50.
> > >
> > > See Genesis 18:23-33, where Abraham gets God to change his
> mind
> > > about the
> > > minimum number of righteous people in Sodom required to avoid
> > > destruction,
> > > bargaining down from fifty to ten. (An omniscient God must have
> > > known that
> > > he was playing with Abraham's hopes for mercy--he destroyed the
> city
> > > anyway.)
> > >
> > > Are we punished for our parents' sins?
> > > a.. Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God,
> visiting
> > > the
> > > iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and
> fourth
> > > generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
> > > b.. Exodus 34:6-7 " . . . The Lord God, merciful and
> > > gracious, . . . that
> > > will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the
> > > fathers upon
> > > the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third
> and
> > > to the
> > > fourth generation."
> > > c.. I Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, . . ."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the
> > > father."
> > > e.. Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death
> for
> > > the
> > > children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
> > > fathers: every
> > > man shall be put to death for his own sin."
> > > Is God good or evil?
> > > a.. Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."
> > > b.. Deuteronomy 32:4 "a God of truth and without iniquity,
> just
> > > and right
> > > is he."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do
> all
> > > these
> > > things." See "Out of Context" for more on Isaiah 45:7.
> > > d.. Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High
> > > proceedeth not
> > > evil and good?"
> > > e.. Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil
> > > against you,
> > > and devise a device against you."
> > > f.. Ezekiel 20:25,26 "I gave them also statutes that were not
> > > good, and
> > > judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in
> their
> > > own
> > > gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that
> openeth
> > > the
> > > womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they
> might
> > > know that
> > > I am the Lord."
> > >
> > >
> > > Does God tempt people?
> > > a.. James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for
> God
> > > cannot
> > > be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that
> God
> > > did
> > > tempt Abraham."
> > > Is God peaceable?
> > > a.. Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
> > > b.. Isaiah 2:4 ". . . and they shall beat their swords into
> > > plowshares,
> > > and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up
> sword
> > > against
> > > nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."
> > > d.. Joel 3:9-10 "Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all
> the
> > > men of
> > > war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into
> swords,
> > > and your
> > > pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."
> > >
> > >
> > > Was Jesus peaceable?
> > > a.. John 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto
> you."
> > > b.. Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of
> > > Israel,
> > > preaching peace by Jesus Christ."
> > > c.. Luke 2:14 " . . . on earth peace, good will toward men."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on
> > > earth: I came
> > > not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at
> > > variance
> > > against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the
> > > daughter in
> > > law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of
> his
> > > own
> > > household."
> > > e.. Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, . . . he that hath no
> > > sword, let
> > > him sell his garment, and buy one."
> > >
> > >
> > > Was Jesus trustworthy?
> > > a.. John 8:14 "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record
> is
> > > true."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not
> > > true."
> > > "Record" and "witness" in the above verses are the same Greek
> word
> > > (martyria).
> > >
> > > Shall we call people names?
> > > a.. Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in
> > > danger of
> > > hellfire." [Jesus speaking]
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Matthew 23:17 "Ye fools and blind." [Jesus speaking]
> > > c.. Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no
> God."
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen God?
> > > a.. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
> > > b.. Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall
> no
> > > man see
> > > me, and live."
> > > c.. John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he
> > > which is of
> > > God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
> > > d.. I John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > e.. Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
> > > f.. Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face,
> as a
> > > man
> > > speaketh unto his friend."
> > > g.. Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also
> the
> > > Lord
> > > sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled
> the
> > > temple."
> > > h.. Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear:
> but
> > > now mine
> > > eye seeth thee."
> > >
> > > How many Gods are there?
> > > a.. Deuteronomy 6:4 "The Lord our God is one Lord."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image."
> > > c.. Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has
> > > become as one
> > > of us, to know good and evil."
> > > d.. I John 5:7 "And there are three that bear witness in
> heaven,
> > > the
> > > Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
> > > It does no good to claim that "Let us" is the
> magisterial "we."
> > > Such usage
> > > implies inclusivity of all authorities under a king's
> leadership.
> > > Invoking
> > > the Trinity solves nothing because such an idea is more
> > > contradictory than
> > > the problem it attempts to solve.
> > >
> > > Are we all sinners?
> > > a.. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the
> glory
> > > of God."
> > > b.. Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous,
> no,
> > > not one."
> > > c.. Psalm 14:3 "There is none that doeth good, no, not one."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Job 1:1 "There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that
> man
> > > was
> > > perfect and upright."
> > > e.. Genesis 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and
> all
> > > thy house
> > > into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this
> > > generation."
> > > f.. Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking
> in
> > > all the
> > > commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
> > >
> > > How old was Ahaziah?
> > > a.. II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when
> he
> > > began to
> > > reign."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah
> when
> > > he began
> > > to reign."
> > >
> > > Should we swear an oath?
> > > a.. Numbers 30:2 "If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear
> an
> > > oath . . .
> > > he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth."
> > > b.. Genesis 21:22-24,31 " . . . swear unto me here by God that
> > > thou wilt
> > > not deal falsely with me . . . And Abraham said, I will
> swear. . . .
> > > Wherefore he called that place Beersheba ["well of the oath"];
> > > because there
> > > they sware both of them."
> > > c.. Hebrews 6:13-17 "For when God made promise to Abraham,
> because
> > > he
> > > could swear by no greater, he sware by himself . . . for men
> verily
> > > swear by
> > > the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of
> all
> > > strife.
> > > Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of
> > > promise the
> > > immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath."
> > > See also Genesis 22:15-19, Genesis 31:53, and Judges 11:30-39.
> > >
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Matthew 5:34-37 "But I say unto you, swear not at all;
> neither
> > > by
> > > heaven . . . nor by the earth . . . . Neither shalt thou swear
> by
> > > thy head .
> > > .. . . But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for
> > > whatsoever is
> > > more than these cometh of evil."
> > > e.. James 5:12 ". . . swear not, neither by heaven, neither by
> the
> > > earth,
> > > neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your
> nay,
> > > nay; lest
> > > ye fall into condemnation."
> > > When was Jesus crucified?
> > > a.. Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified
> him."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto
> the
> > > Jews,
> > > Behold your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him."
> > > It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of
> > > reckoning
> > > time here. It has never been shown that this is the case.
> > >
> > > Shall we obey the law?
> > > a.. I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of
> man . . .
> > > to the
> > > king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
> > > b.. Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things
> which
> > > are
> > > Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."
> > >
> > > How many animals on the ark?
> > > a.. Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two
> of
> > > every
> > > sort shalt thou bring into the ark."
> > > b.. Genesis 7:8-9 "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not
> > > clean, and
> > > of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There
> > > went in two
> > > and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God
> had
> > > commanded Noah."
> > > c.. Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two
> and
> > > two of
> > > all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee
> by
> > > sevens,
> > > the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by
> two,
> > > the male
> > > and his female."
> > >
> > > Were women and men created equal?
> > > a.. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the
> > > image of God
> > > created he him; male and female created he them."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good
> that
> > > the man
> > > should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And
> > > Adam said,
> > > This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall
> be
> > > called
> > > Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
> > >
> > > Were trees created before humans?
> > > a.. Genesis 1:12-31 "And the earth brought forth grass, and
> herb
> > > yielding
> > > seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was
> in
> > > itself,
> > > after his kind: . . . And the evening and the morning were the
> third
> > > day. .
> > > .. . And God said, Let us make man in our image . . . And the
> > > evening and the
> > > morning were the sixth day."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Genesis 2:5-9 "And every plant of the field before it was
> in
> > > the
> > > earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord
> God
> > > had not
> > > caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to
> till the
> > > ground. .ￊ.ￊAnd the Lord God formed man of the
> dust of the
> > > ground . . . And
> > > the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put
> the
> > > man
> > > whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to
> grow
> > > every
> > > tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food."
> > >
> > > Did Michal have children?
> > > a.. II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had
> no
> > > child
> > > unto the day of her death."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of
> Rizpah . . .
> > > and the
> > > five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."
> > >
> > > How many stalls did Solomon have?
> > > a.. I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of
> horses
> > > for his
> > > chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls
> for
> > > horses
> > > and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
> > >
> > > Did Paul's men hear a voice?
> > > a.. Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood
> > > speechless,
> > > hearing a voice, but seeing no man."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the
> light,
> > > and were
> > > afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."
> > > (For more detail on this contradiction, with a linguistic
> analysis
> > > of the
> > > Greek words, see "Did Paul's Men Hear A Voice?" by Dan Barker,
> > > published in
> > > the The Skeptical Review, 1994 #1)
> > >
> > > Is God omnipotent?
> > > a.. Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all
> flesh:
> > > is there
> > > anything too hard for me?
> > > b.. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
> With
> > > men
> > > this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Judges 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out
> the
> > > inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the
> inhabitants
> > > of the
> > > valley, because they had chariots of iron."
> > >
> > > Does God live in light?
> > > a.. I Timothy 6:15-16 " . . . the King of kings, and Lord of
> > > lords; Who
> > > only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can
> > > approach . .
> > > .."
> > > b.. James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no
> > > variableness,
> > > neither shadow of turning."
> > > c.. John 12:35 "Then Jesus saith unto them, . . . he that
> walketh
> > > in
> > > darkness knoweth not wither he goeth."
> > > d.. Job 18:18 "He [the wicked] shall be driven from light into
> > > darkness,
> > > and chased out of the world."
> > > e.. Daniel 2:22 "He [God] knoweth what is in the darkness, and
> the
> > > light
> > > dwelleth with him." See also Psalm 143:3, II Corinthians 6:14,
> and
> > > Hebrews
> > > 12:18-22.
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > f.. I Kings 8:12 "Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he
> would
> > > dwell in
> > > the thick darkness." (Repeated in II Chronicles 6:1)
> > > g.. II Samuel 22:12 "And he made darkness pavilions round
> about
> > > him, dark
> > > waters, and thick clouds of the skies."
> > > h.. Psalm 18:11 "He made darkness his secret place; his
> pavilion
> > > round
> > > about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies."
> > > i.. Psalm 97:1-2 "The Lord reigneth; let the earth
> rejoice . . .
> > > clouds
> > > and darkness are round about him."
> > >
> > > Does God accept human sacrifice?
> > > a.. Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy
> God:
> > > for
> > > every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done
> unto
> > > their
> > > gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in
> the
> > > fire to
> > > their gods."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only
> son
> > > Isaac,
> > > whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and
> offer
> > > him there
> > > for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell
> > > thee of."
> > > c.. Exodus 22:29 "For thou shalt not delay to offer the first
> of
> > > thy ripe
> > > fruits, and of thy liquors; the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou
> > > give unto
> > > me."
> > > d.. Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord,
> and
> > > said, If
> > > thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine
> > > hand, Then
> > > it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my
> house
> > > to meet
> > > me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall
> surely
> > > be the
> > > Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah
> > > passed over
> > > unto the children of Ammon . . . and the Lord delivered them
> into
> > > his hands.
> > > .. . . And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold,
> his
> > > daughter
> > > came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: . . . And it
> > > came to
> > > pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her
> father,
> > > who did
> > > with her according to his vow which he had vowed."
> > > e.. II Samuel 21:8-14 "But the king [David] took the two sons
> of
> > > Rizpah .
> > > .. . and the five sons of Michal . . . and he delivered them
> into
> > > the hands
> > > of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the
> Lord:
> > > and
> > > they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days
> of
> > > harvest .
> > > .. . And after that God was intreated for the land."
> > > f.. Hebrews 10:10-12 " . . . we are sanctified through the
> > > offering of the
> > > body of Jesus Christ . . . But this man, after he had offered
> one
> > > sacrifice
> > > for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God."
> > > g.. I Corinthians 5:7 " . . . For even Christ our passover is
> > > sacrificed
> > > for us."
> > >
> > > Who was Joseph's father?
> > > a.. Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary,
> of
> > > whom was
> > > born Jesus."
> > > vs.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty
> years of
> > > age,
> > > being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of
> > > Heli."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > > Karena di indonesia umumnya sudah direvisi secara
> > > > sembunyi-sembunyi oleh petinggi gereja setempat ...
> > > > Jadi ada baiknya juga tiap-tiap orang Islam Islam
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> > > > (4) Orang normal (takutnya berubah akal)
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