Anjing rasis nih gua kutip lagi. lu baca berulang2 ya, minimal 100x He claims, for example, that "100,000 Americans die each year because doctors and nurses fail to wash their hands properly. Measured in bodies, therefore, the problem of hand-washing in hospitals is worse than the problem of guns, even if we include accidents and suicides". Anyway, "mass shootings scarcely represent 0.1% of all murders". The essential point about his position is that Harris himself is a gun nut: "Unlike my friends, I own several guns and train with them regularly. Every month or two, I spend a full day shooting with a highly qualified instructor… My involvement with guns goes back decades. I have always wanted to be able to protect myself and my family, and I have never had any illusions about how quickly the police can respond when called." "But when I contemplate atrocities [like Newtown]… I think of how differently the situation might have evolved if the school had had an armed (and, I have to emphasize, well-trained) security guard on campus." Later in the piece, Harris links approvingly to a graphic YouTube CCTV video in which a motel clerk kills an attempted armed robber, shooting him repeatedly even after he starts to run away. Harris does admit that "the situation isn't perfectly analogous" and even that "the wisdom of using deadly force in what might be only a robbery is at least debatable." But what's really disgusting is that this footage of a real killing is urged on the viewer as a stimulus to the imagination: linking to a propaganda video put out by the mayor of Houston advising people what to do if a lunatic turns up in their office and starts killing them, he asks: "But is it really so difficult to believe that the [motel] shooter might have been helpful during an incident of the sort depicted in Houston?" But why stop there? If we're asking which fantasy scenarios could be improved by the addition of firearms, the case for personal anti-tank weapons is unanswerable. After all, they helped Buffy destroy one of her enemies when nothing else would have done. Behind all this lies the myth of John Wayne, the fantasy of the strong man who is right and just and not entirely dissimilar to the author. Myths have a power that should never be ignored and no one is more helpless against them than the man who supposes he has overcome them with reason. To quote Harris again, "When viewed from any other civilised society on earth, the primacy of guns in American life seems to be a symptom of collective psychosis." This may appear to be self-contradiction, but open, manly self-contradiction is an essential feature of Harris's rhetoric. Almost everything obnoxious he has ever said he has contradicted elsewhere but there's never any suggestion that he is ever wrong, just differently rational. You could draw the obvious moral from this: that Sam Harris is a nihilistic charlatan, whose policy proposals, from war with Muslims, to the torture of terrorist suspects and now the arming of all school guards have always aligned with the right wing of the Republican party while dressed in the language of enlightenment. But it's worth going a little beyond the obvious. This is a man whose books sell in hundreds of thousands. What is extraordinary about the story is that Harris is supposed to be a rationalist, a sceptic, a man who believes nothing except upon evidence. And yet he can at will summon whole phantom armies into existence: "It is clearly possible to hire as many competent guards as we want, should this become a national priority. This is entirely a question of money, not of whether it is possible to enlist, train, and equip 100,000 highly qualified men and women to protect our children." The real danger of his kind of atheism is that it replaces fantasies about gods (who don't exist) with fantasies about human beings, who do. And which is more dangerous: to be wrong about something imaginary or about something real?
________________________________ From: Nub <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) nih gua kutip lagi. lu baca berulang2 ya, minimal 100x http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-freedom-to-offend-an-imaginary-god "Here is where the line must be drawn and defended without apology: We are free to burn the Qur'an or any other book, and to criticize Muhammad or any other human being. Let no one forget it." --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" wrote: > > > > > lu dikasitau baek2 masih ndableg ya. > yowis lah, apa kata dengkul lu aja. > > yg jelas, tugas gua adalah nyari duit buat membahagiakan keluarga. > sejauh ini tugas gua cukup membuahkan hasil sih. > jadi gua ngga tertarik mengemban tugas yg lain. > > selain jualan agama, menebar kebencian dan mencoreng nama yesus, tugas lu apa > lagi nub? nilep duit jemaat gereja rock di artarmon? > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > jon kasus ambon mah cuma excuse aja. > > Gereja2 yg ga bersalah pun kena bom, kena bakar. > > Jadi diam pun kena hajar tanpa pandang bulu. > > Dan lagian yang bilang islam itu kejam bukan orang kristen jon. dah gua > > sering kutip kok atheis2 yang kerjaannya nyerang alkitab, kristen pun > > bilang islam itu kejam. Karna mata kita ngeliatnya emang begitu. > > Justru tugas lu lah buat nyadarin umat lu kalo kita ini bukan lagi diabad > > 6-7. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > oh elu rasa begitu ya. > > > coba sekali2 latihan berpikir nub, jangan berperasaan aja. > > > > > > saran gua, simak baik2 tulisan suryana. > > > renungkan, dan kalo lu masih punya nurani, yg mana gua juga ragu, > > > lu ngga akan mengorbankan kerabat2 lu di indonesia untuk menanggung > > > segala akibat yg udah lu perbuat. > > > > > > atau coba berpikir simpel aja deh: "yg gua lakukan di dunia maya ini, apa > > > untungnya buat gua?". > > > itu pertanyaan simpel tapi maknanya dalem. > > > jadi jangan dijawab ter buru2. > > > renungkan baik2, kalo perlu minta petunjuk roh kudus. > > > kalo roh kudus ngga ada, lu bisa minta roh solo atau roh malang. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > kalo menurut lu bilang 'islam itu kejam dll' itu malu2in umat gua, > > > > salah bener lu jon. gua rasa mereka semua setuju huehuehuehe > > > > > > > > Ambil contoh dimilis ini aja, tuh temen lu yg namanya dipo. > > > > Dia bilang salahin sekolah2 kristen tersebut kenapa mau mengikuti > > > > perda. padahal jelas kalo ga mengikuti sekolah bakal ditutup. > > > > > > > > Ini sih ibarat kita nyalahin korban pemerkosaan. Kenapa nurut waktu > > > > diperkosa. Padahal ya kalo ga nurut bakal dibunuh. > > > > http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af124/olioill/Daniel__s_Facepalm_by_xAikaNoKurayami.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ngga perlu panik gitu nub, tenanv aja, gua bukan fpi koq. > > > > > kalo gua fpi, udah lma si uplik masuk ugd di leiden. > > > > > > > > > > gua cuman ngasi tau, jangan belagu di dunia maya. > > > > > inget kasus alex aan. > > > > > itu baru korban pertama si uplik. > > > > > inget nub, sebagai penginjil kelakuan lu udah memalukan umat lu > > > > > sendiri. > > > > > sekali lagi, watch your mouth, ngga perlu gemeter, tapi ngga perlu > > > > > belagu juga. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Elu jon ngancem pake sistem 'machine gun' berharap2 ada yg kena. > > > > > > rock lah, artarmon lah, NSW lah, hehehe > > > > > > Lu boleh spend tahunan buat nyari gua sapa jon. gua kasih time > > > > > > limit 100 tahun deh. > > > > > > Btw, kok lu sekarang percaya gua tinggal dioz? kemarin itu bukannya > > > > > > lu bilang gua boong? > > > > > > > > > > > > lu yakin ga lu apa2in tuh posting? tadinya gua mau nanya ama si > > > > > > muhammad, tapi gua lupa dia dah mokat makan racun tikus. > > > > > > > > > > > > terus soal islam agama major, yang pangkatnya lebih tinggi dari > > > > > > kapten, yg ga ngajarin golden rule kayanya lu setuju nih jon. abis > > > > > > ga ada komen. > > > > > > > > > > > > berarti jangan bilang gua menyebarkan kebencian dong. kan itu > > > > > > benar, fakta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ngga gua apa2in koq nub. > > > > > > > coba tanya yesus atau roh kudus, dia yg ngapa2in kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lu ngga mau mengakui gereja lu sendiri? > > > > > > > apa perlu gua bongkar semuanya siapa elu? > > > > > > > yakin ngga nyesel? > > > > > > > temen gua orang indo pr di oz nub. > > > > > > > artarmon mah kecil banget, sekelas kecamatan di sini. > > > > > > > populasi cuman seupil lagi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gua ga tau lu apain, tapi posting gaby yg gua reply beda ama yg > > > > > > > > ada di reply lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ini reply gua: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378668 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ini reply lu: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378671 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liat bagian gaby nya, beda. makanya gua rapiin lagi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rock?artarmon? sotoy to the max hehehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yang nebar kebencian siapa? emang benar kan islam itu satu2nya > > > > > > > > agama major yang engga mengajarkan golden rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lu tau apa itu major? itu lebih tinggi dari kapten pangkatnya > > > > > > > > LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lu koq ngutip postingan lu sendiri bukannya ngasih bukti > > > > > > > > > tuduhan lu itu. > > > > > > > > > udah terinfeksi kelakuan idola lu si uplik ya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lu aktivis gereja rock di artarmon nsw kan? mau jujur ngga lu? > > > > > > > > > kalo ngga jujur gua laporin lu ke jemaat di sono kalo lu suka > > > > > > > > > menebar kebencian antar umat > > > > > > > > > di milis. > > > > > > > > > mampus lu ntar duit gereja ngga ngalir lagi ke kantong lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378668 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyambung kok. > > > > > > > > > > itu kan kelakuan greg le mond mirip2 ama lu. > > > > > > > > > > masa dah lupa lu hehehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itu pentolan bethany kalo kebukti ya tangkap aja. susah > > > > > > > > > > bgt. > > > > > > > > > > Gereja Rock? hueheuhuehee mancing nih yee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kalo teddy mah udah ketawan jelas FB nya dia yang mana. > > > > > > > > > > cuma ya gua ga kepo lah, gua hargai privasi orang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lu ngomong apa siu nub ngga nyambung bener. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eh itu ada pentolan gereja bethany nilep duit jemaat > > > > > > > > > > > triliunan rupiah tuh. > > > > > > > > > > > lu sendiri udah daper duit berapa banyak dari jemaat > > > > > > > > > > > gereja rock di oz? > > > > > > > > > > > jujur aja di sini mah nub, ngga bakalan ada yg laporin > > > > > > > > > > > koq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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