Hehehe ... jadi nurut lu, ngasih tafsir 65:4 itu bukan ngebahas ayat 65:4. Dasar goblok.
Pada akhirnya, lu cuma kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut, sampe ga berani ngelanjutkan ocehan lu sendiri. Lu cuma berani kaing2 perempuan dilindungi waktu dicerai, tp ga bisa ngomong apa aja yg dilindungi. Lu ga berani ngaku bhw lu milih hadis bukan berdasarkan sahih atau kagak, tp berdasarkan selera lu. Lu kaing2 yg dpt ayat itu cuma nabi, padahal jelas Islam belajar ngerajam dr monyet nurut hadis sahih, yg berarti monyet jg adalah nabi Islam. Lu ga berani bantah kenabian dr monyet itu, hehehe... Yg ngacir itu adalah lu, bukan gua. Gua cuma nanggapin ocehan lu. Ngacir sambil kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut itu emang keahlian lu, krn cuma itu kemampuan lu. On 6/28/13, rezameutia <[email protected]> wrote: > Lha.., mana ayat 65:4 yang lo bilang mau dibahas di awal tulisan? > > Lo ini kan memang udah dari dulu selalu ngacir dan kaing2 pindah topik. > Dari awal lo dengan yakin ngomongin 65:4, sekarang lo ngacir malahan kasih > tafsir lagi. > > Dan supaya lo lebih meyakinkan dari ngacir dari topik 65:4, lo malahan > ngacir sambil kaing2 ngomongin rajam. > > Mendingan, lo embat dulu deh memek ibu lo atau pantat peot si jusfiq > sekarang, sebelum lo kaing2 lagi didepan gw, biar otak lo agak terang > sedikit dah... > > Hehehe... > > > > > > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> wrote: >> >> Lu ini emang tolol ga bisa baca. >> >> and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their >> young age, their period shall [also] be three months >> >> And [as for] those of your women who (read allÄ â€™Ä« or allÄ â€™i in >> both >> instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, >> about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be >> three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, >> because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months >> â€" both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for >> these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall >> wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And >> those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed >> [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be >> when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease >> for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. (Tafsir Al Jalalayn) >> >> Hehehe... apanya yg dilindungi pd perempuan waktu dicerai? Coba lu >> cerita panjang lebar, apa aja yg dilindungi. >> >> Lu milih2 hadis itu bukan berdasarkan sahih apa kagak, tp berdasarkan >> selera lu. Lu ga mau ngaku? >> >> Hehehe... ga ada ayat rajam di Quran, lalu drmana ada aturan ngerajam >> cewek di Islam? Ga lain dr monyet, yg berarti monyet itu dpt ayat dr >> auloh dan monyet itu adalah nabi Islam jg, hehehe... >> >> >> >> On 6/28/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Orang2 Islam tukang tipu spt rezameutia ngibul bhw Quran ga bilang >> >> masa iddah unt anak ingusan yg blm mens itu adalah 3 bulan. >> >> >> >> DI bawah ini, gua kutip tafsir dr Ibm Kathir dan bbrp tafsir lainnya >> >> unt ayat 65:4 unt nunjukkan bhw anak ingusan yg blm men situ hrs >> >> dikasih masa iddah 3 bulan. Dan dgn kewajiban masa iddah ini, berarti >> >> si anak ingusan itu udh diembat sebelumnya, dgn kata lain, Quran >> >> ngehalalin ngembat anak ingusan yg blm mens. >> >> >> >> Ayat 65:4 ini jelas memasukkan anak ingusan ke dlm kategori yg hrs >> >> dikasih masa iddah 3 bulan, bisa dilihat dr kutipan ini >> >> >> > >> > >> > Mana tulisan ayatnya yang bilang masa iddah untuk cewe yang blom mens, >> > seperti lo bilang? >> > >> > Lo kasih tulisan bahasa Inggris dengan jelas menyatakan bahwa masa >> > iddah >> > adalah 3 bulan sehingga pada saat perceraian, istri tidak dalam keadaan >> > hamil. >> > >> > Lalu, kalo istri sedang hamil maka perceraian harus menunggu sampe >> > istri >> > melahirkan sehingga bayi dalam kandungan jelas bapaknya. >> > >> > Ini kan udah jelas, bahwa perempuan sangat dihormati di Quran sehingga >> > pada >> > saat perceraianpun sangat dilindungi hak nya sebagai perempuan yang >> > sedang >> > mengandung anak sehingga sang anak bukan anak haram. >> > >> > Sekarang lo cari aja, mana ada perlindungan dan penghormatan kepada >> > perempuan dalam hal ini di dalam alkitab, seperti di Quran? >> > >> > Boro2 ada penghormatan perempuan seperti ini dil alkitab. >> > >> > Perempuan dilecehkan dan dihina dengan cuman ditakdirkan sebagai objek >> > sex >> > dan biang setan doang di alkitab. Semua lobang memek halal diembat, >> > memek >> > ibu lo sendiri, memek adik lo sendiri, memek anak lo sendiri, >> > pokoknya.. >> > yang namanya lobang memek semuanya halal dientot menurut al kitab. >> > >> > Bener begitu bukan? >> > >> > Lalu lo kasih tafsir dan pertanyaan dari Ubay bin Ka'b, tentang masa >> > iddah >> > cewe yang belum mens dan menurut lo ada tambahan ayat di quran untuk >> > melengkapi pertanyaan Ubay bin Ka'b. >> > >> > Ini mah udah jelas ngibul..., ayat al Quran udah nggak turun lagi >> > setelah >> > nabi Muhammad wafat. Tidak mungkin ada penambahan surat atau ayat di >> > Quran >> > sesudah nabi Muhammad wafat. >> > >> > Berbeda dengan alkitab yang tuhan jesus nya udah modar, lalu dateng >> > paulus >> > dengan tipu daya nya ngaku ketemu tuhan jesus dan nambahin surat2 dan >> > ayat2 >> > di alkitab. Paulus ini mah udah jelas tukang tipu, dan lo makan >> > taiknya >> > paulus mentah2 tanpa dipikir lagi. >> > >> > Didalam semua agama di dunia, surat dan ayat di kitab suci udah jelas >> > diturunkan ke nabi seperti nabi Musa, nabi Isa, dan nabi Muhammad. >> > Nggak >> > mungkin ada surat atau ayat2 kitab suci diturunkan ke temen deket nabi, >> > istri nabi, atau anak nabi. >> > >> > Seperti contohnya tulisan paulus si tukang tipu yang bisa ngaku2 dapet >> > surat >> > dan ayat dari tuhan. Cuma karena memang agama kristen penuh dogma, >> > yang >> > dilarang memakai akal, makanya lo jadi seperti anjing dogol pemakan >> > taik, >> > semua tulisan dogol paulus dan nggak masuk akal lo percaya dan seperti >> > anjing melahap taik. >> > >> > Makanya, nggak heran lo gila sex seperti anjing, emak lo sendiri halal >> > diembat, anak lo sendiri halal diembat sampe bunting. Abis, otak lo >> > memang >> > kagak boleh dipake sih di agama kristen. >> > >> > Anyway, lo udah tau dan ngomong sendiri bahwa sunah itu gw pilih2 karena >> > ada >> > sunnah sahih dan sunnah dhaif. Tapi dasar lo emang kelewat dogol, tetep >> > aja >> > lo kasih tafsir dan sunnah ke gw. >> > >> > Lo nggak ada malunya pamer ketololan mulu tiap hari ya... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one from Ubay bin >> >> Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat Al-Baqarah >> >> was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in >> >> Al-Madinah said, `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been >> >> mentioned in the Qur'an. There are the young, the old whose >> >> menstruation is discontinued, and the pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah >> >> was revealed, >> >> (Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have >> >> doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses.)'' >> >> >> >> Menggelikan sekali bukan, auloh ga lengkap ngasih aturan di AL Baqaroh >> >> shg hrs ada tambahan di surat lainnya. >> >> >> >> Apa si rezameutia msh akan terus kaing2 QUrna ga ngehalalin ngembat >> >> anak ingusan yg blm mens dgn adanya masa idah tsb? Krn emang ga tau >> >> malu, si reza akan terus kaing2 kyk anjing kejepit buntut, krn emang >> >> ga ada lg yg bs dilakukannya selain kaing2 kyk anjing kejepit buntut. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1316&Itemid=121 >> >> >> >> Tafisr Ibn Kathir >> >> The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses >> >> >> >> >> >> Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in >> >> menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to >> >> her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly >> >> cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in >> >> (Surat) Al-Baqarah. ï´¿see 2:228ï´¾ The same for the young, who >> >> have not >> >> reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like >> >> those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying; >> >> ﴿وَاللÙ`َـتÙ يلَمÙ' >> >> ÙŠÙŽØÂÙ ضÙ'Ù†ÙŽï´¾ >> >> (and for those who have no courses...) as for His saying; >> >> ï´¿Ø¥Ù Ù†Ù ارÙ'تَبÙ'تÙ Ù…Ù'ï´¾ >> >> (if you have doubt...) There are two opinions: First, is the saying of >> >> a group of the Salaf, like Mujahid, Az-Zuhri and Ibn Zayd. That is, if >> >> they see blood and there is doubt if it was menstrual blood or not. >> >> The second, is that if you do not know the ruling in this case, then >> >> know that their `Iddah is three months. This has been reported from >> >> Sa`id bin Jubayr and it is the view preferred by Ibn Jarir. And this >> >> is the more obvious meaning. Supporting this view is what is reported >> >> from Ubay bin Ka`b that he said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were >> >> not mentioned in the Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' >> >> Allah the Exalted and Most Honored sent down this Ayah, >> >> ﴿وَاللاÙ`َئÙ Ù‰ يَئÙ >> >> سÙ'Ù†ÙŽ Ù…Ù Ù†ÙŽ الÙ'Ù…ÙŽØÂÙ >> >> يضÙ >> >> Ù…Ù ننÙ`Ù سَآئÙ ÙÆ'Ù Ù…Ù' Ø¥Ù >> >> Ù†Ù >> >> ارÙ'تَبÙ'تÙ Ù…Ù' Ù َعÙ >> >> دÙ`َتÙ Ù‡Ù Ù†Ù`ÙŽ >> >> ثَلَـثَةÙ >> >> Ø£ÙŽØ´Ù'Ù‡Ù رÙ وَاللÙ`َـتÙ >> >> يلَمÙ' >> >> ÙŠÙŽØÂÙ ضÙ'Ù†ÙŽ ÙˆÙŽØ£Ù >> >> ÙˆÙ'لَـتÙ >> >> الاÙ`ÙÅ'ØÂÙ'مَالÙ >> >> أَجَلÙ Ù‡Ù Ù†Ù`ÙŽ Ø£ÙŽÙ†>> >> يَضَعÙ'Ù†ÙŽ >> >> ØÂÙŽÙ…Ù'Ù„ÙŽÙ‡Ù Ù†Ù`ÙŽï´¾ >> >> (Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have >> >> doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses. And for >> >> those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay down their >> >> burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one from >> >> Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat >> >> Al-Baqarah was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people >> >> in Al-Madinah said, `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not >> >> been mentioned in the Qur'an. There are the young, the old whose >> >> menstruation is discontinued, and the pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah >> >> was revealed, >> >> ﴿وَاللاÙ`َئÙ Ù‰ يَئÙ >> >> سÙ'Ù†ÙŽ Ù…Ù Ù†ÙŽ الÙ'Ù…ÙŽØÂÙ >> >> يضÙ >> >> Ù…Ù ننÙ`Ù سَآئÙ ÙÆ'Ù Ù…Ù' Ø¥Ù >> >> Ù†Ù >> >> ارÙ'تَبÙ'تÙ Ù…Ù' Ù َعÙ >> >> دÙ`َتÙ Ù‡Ù Ù†Ù`ÙŽ >> >> ثَلَـثَةÙ >> >> Ø£ÙŽØ´Ù'Ù‡Ù رÙ وَاللÙ`َـتÙ >> >> يلَمÙ' >> >> ÙŠÙŽØÂÙ ضÙ'Ù†ÙŽï´¾ >> >> (Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have >> >> doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses.)'' >> >> >> >> >> >> Tafsir lainnya: >> >> >> >> They may not have menstruated as yet either because of young age, or >> >> delayed menstrual discharge as it happens in the case of some women, >> >> or because of no discharge at all throughout life which, though rare, >> >> may also be the case. In any case, the waiting-period of such a woman >> >> is the same as of the woman, who has stopped menstruation, that is >> >> three months from the time divorce was pronounced. >> >> >> >> Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the >> >> explanations given in the Qur'an the question of the waiting period >> >> arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been >> >> consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is >> >> pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). >> >> Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have >> >> not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to >> >> give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible >> >> for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no >> >> Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as >> >> permissible. >> >> >> >> The girl who is divorced in the state when she has not yet menstruated >> >> and then she starts having the menses during the waiting-period, will >> >> reckon her waiting-period from the same menstruation and her >> >> waiting-period will be reckoned just like the woman who menstruates >> >> regularly. (Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning >> >> of the Qur'an) >> >> >> >> >> >> And [as for] those of your women who (read allÄ ’ī or allÄ >> >> ’i in >> >> both >> >> instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, >> >> about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be >> >> three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, >> >> because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months >> >> â€" both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; >> >> for >> >> these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall >> >> wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And >> >> those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed >> >> [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be >> >> when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease >> >> for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. (Tafsir Al Jalalayn) >> >> >> >> >> >> (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old >> >> age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of >> >> waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: â€Å"O >> >> Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not >> >> have menstruation because they are too young?†(along with those >> >> who >> >> have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three >> >> months. Another man asked: â€Å"what is the waiting period for those >> >> women >> >> who are pregnant?†(And for those with child) i.e. those who are >> >> pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they >> >> bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty >> >> to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He >> >> maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is >> >> also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. (Tanwîr >> >> al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs) >> >> >> >> >> >> (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. >> >> Said >> >> Muqatil: â€Å"When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, >> >> keeping >> >> themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari >> >> said: >> >> ‘O >> >> Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does >> >> not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet? And what is >> >> the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted >> >> is >> >> He, revealed this verse†. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us> >> >> Muhammad >> >> ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> >> >> Abu’l-Azhar> Asbat ibn >> >> Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: >> >> â€Å"When the >> >> waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah >> >> al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, >> >> some women of >> >> Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been >> >> mentioned!’ >> >> He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those >> >> who are too young >> >> [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too >> >> old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are >> >> pregnant’. And >> >> so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of >> >> menstruation…) >> >> was revealed†. (Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi) >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
