Wak AbRahim, I was flabbergasted reading the rubbish you saw fit to copy and
paste and forwarded to Debate Religious Sprotuality. Whoever wrote the rubbish
is a trueMuslim who doesn't worry about telling whoppers, big lies.
Let me explain to you using references from the Qur'an as follows:
1. The Taurat of Musa, the Zabur of Daud as well as the Injil of Isa according
to the Qur'an are the previously revealed Scriptures. As such they have their
origins from Allah. The purity of these kitabs are safeguarded by no less than
Allah himself.
2. According to the Qur'an - it was revealed by Allah to confirm, that is to
say to state the heavenly origin of the previously revealed books.
3. The Qur'an is also charged with the responsibility of safeguarding the
previously revelaed books.
4. The writer of the article in claiming that the Jews had somehow managed to
corrupt their scriptures essentially accuses (a) Allah for failing to safeguard
the previously revealed books - his holy scriptures..
5. The write also in essence states that the Qur'an failed miserably in
carrying out its duty to protect the previously revealed books.
6. He completely ignores the ayah that tells Prophet Muhammad that 'should he
experience doubt about the revelations, he should consult with the People of
the Book (Ahlul kitab).
7. Allah would not have instructed his prophet to consult with the Ahlul Kitab
unless He believed that the previously revealed books at that juncture (7th
century A.D.) were still pure, unchanged, unaltered by human hands!
8. The writer like most dishonest Muslims will make spurious accusations. They
don't even know what their Qur'an have to say about their lies.
I like to ask you, Wak Abrahim the following questions.
a. Why in tarnation would the devout followers of any Scriptures change their
own book?
b. Would you have any proofs that these alterations did happen? You might be
able to show the original Scriptures so that we may compare them against the
present (corrupted Scriptures)?
c. Since during the period of Prophet Muhammad (7th century A.D.) Allah
believed that the Scriptures were still pure, original and unchanged, which
century do you believe these changeswere made?
d. You must realize that the Jews were mostly literate and more than that they
pride themselves in being able to memorize verses from their Scriptures. They
would have strongly protested if anyone decided to alter any of the verses.
e. The Old Testaments has been in existence for more than 3 thousand years. The
New Testament has been in existence since around 70 A.D. Soon after that period
the Old and New Testaments were translated into a number of languages.
Thousands of the Bible (and its tranaslations) have been around for about 2000
years. It would be impossible to change the Bible because there were thousands
of them scattered in many countries.
You must not forget that the only Scripturres that do not have their original
records are the Qur'an. Othman back in 7th Century A.D. decided to burn, yes to
destroy by fire ALL of the old and authentic records of the verses revealed by
Allah to Prophet Muhammad. If anyone wants to claim that a particular holy book
has been altered, modified, truncated and totallly changed, he doesn't have to
look far. He'll find it in the history of the Qur'an.
Gabriella
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Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 3:52 PM
Subject: [Debate Religious Spirituality] But, behold, the false pen of the
scribes has made it into a lie.
How is Allah telling the Christians and Jews to rule in accordance with the
Bible that is with them according to Noble Verse 7:157 when these scriptures
were corrupted by the followers of the religion and could not be found in their
true form?
The Noble Quran came to CONFIRM the Truth that exists in the Bible. Allah
Almighty NEVER claimed that the bible is fully and 100% Divine. Islam is a
witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption
in the Bible. The Noble Quran only recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with
errors and man's alteration in it. Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is
valid, and anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is
discarded. This is elaborated on and proven in good details in this link.
Allah Almighty commanded the Jews and Christians to rule among themselves
according to the Bible only in the social and domestic disputes. This was when
Islam was partial and its Laws were not yet complete. The following Hadith
further proves this:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: "The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him
that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual
intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old
Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied,
(But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are
telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the
Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses
preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand."
When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said,
"Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then
gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin
'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the
stones." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari,
Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book
56, Number 829)"
But after Islam became complete, there was no reason for them to continue
following the Bible: ".....This day those who reject faith given up all hope
of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me (Allah). This day have I
(Allah) perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have
chosen for you Islam as your (complete) religion....(The Noble Quran, 5:3)"
The whole Bible to both the Noble Quran and the Bible itself is corrupted, and
Jews, Christians and Muslims must follow the Noble Quran and Islam to get
accurate Justice. Please visit: What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are
closest to the Truth? and Why?
Here is what Noble Verse 7:157 states: "Those who follow the Messenger
[Muhammad], the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel for he commands them what is just and
forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good and prohibits
them from what is bad; He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the
yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help
him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him- it is they who will
prosper."
We Muslims believe that Allah Almighty did send the Torah (Old Testament or the
Law) to the Jews, but they then corrupted this Holy Message; "We (Allah)
certainly gave the Book To Moses, but differences arose therein: had it not
been That a Word had gone forth Before from thy Lord, the matter Would have
been decided Between them: but they Are in suspicious doubt Concerning it.
(The Noble Quran, 11:110)"
The original Message of the Torah (Old Testament) was still around during
Muhammad's (peace be upon him) time. But because the Jews had so much
controversies, disputes and age-old prejudices among themselves, they ended up
losing the entire original message. Please keep in mind that the Jews were
divided into several tribes before Islam, and those tribes had so much
problems. They never had One True Judaism as many Christians mistakenly
believe. That is why the Jews massacred each others before and brought
themselves from 11 tribes to only 2 (Judea and Samara located in what we call
today West Bank Palestine) due to all of the blood shed that took place between
them. A total of 9 tribes were completely wiped out. That is why "differences
arose therein....." Allah Almighty promised hell to those Jews who caused the
corruption of the Original Torah; "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they [the
Jews] conceal and what they reveal? And there
are among them [the Jews] illiterates, who know not the Book [the Old
Testament], but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but
conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book [Old Testament] with their
own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a
miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain
they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
As for the Christians and their Injil (New Testament), we Muslims believe that
the Christians unintentionally had corrupted the Bible because they waited for
too long to document it. Some Christians believe that the Bible was documented
150 years after Jesus. Others believe it took 300 years. In either case, the
gap is too big and no Christian can guarantee accuracy. That is why you read
in their current books and Gospels things such as "And Jesus said to
Matthew....." instead of "And Jesus said to me [Matthew]...." and so on. Cases
similar to this example literally exist in most of the New Testament of today,
where they prove that the New Testament was not even written by its original
authors. It was written by third party people, and their words are considered
today the Word of GOD, which is wrong and sinful. The Christian sects also
believe in different number of Gospels when you compare them to each others.
The number of
Books/Gospels in the Roman Catholics Bible for instance is different from the
King James Version Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels
from the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible, which is different in the number of
Books/Gospels from the Mormon's Bible, etc... Please visit History of man's
corruption in the Bible for more details. Today, there is no one Bible!.
Allah Almighty warned Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him from the false
practices done by Jews and Christians:
"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou
follow their form of religion. Say: 'The Guidance of God,-that is the (only)
Guidance.' Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath
reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against God.
(The Noble Quran, 2:120)"
"They say: 'Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).'
Say thou: 'Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he
joined not gods with God.' (The Noble Quran, 2:135)"
"Indeed they reject the truth, those that say "God is Christ, the son of Mary."
For indeed, Christ said, worship God, who is my God and your God. (The Holy
Quran, 5:72)"
Trinity today, and the corruption of the Torah (The Law sent to the Jews) to
prove that the Jews are the best people for all times and all places and the
denial of Jesus peace be upon him and the many other false teachings are
evidence of the false teachings and practices of the Christians and the Jews.
In general, we Muslims believe that the current Torah and Injil are mixed
between the true Words of GOD Almighty and man's corruption. We also believe
that the Bible had more truth in it during Muhammad's (peace be upon him) time
than what we have today. That is why Allah Almighty was challenging some of
the Jews and the Christians to refer to their Scriptures back then. Please
read my answer to Question #3 for more details on to why Allah Almighty didn't
choose to guard His Message in the Bible. Also, please visit: What parts of
the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?, to get more
clear picture on where Muslims stand on the Bible's accuracy issue.
