kim3hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:    --- In [email protected], 
PAREWA PAREWA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Gimana kalau holocaust oleh Hitler yg ngbunuhnya aja sampe 6 juta >orang 
>digeneralisasi sbg kebiadaban kristen sebab jelas sekali
asosiasi >dan koneksinya Hitler dan Krsiten? 
...

Wah apalagi ini, komentar cap dengkak !

Hitler itu tak pernah bawa-bawa soal agama sewaktu bantai orang Yahudi. Bukan 
dari segi agama dia lakuin dogmanya.

Pengetahuan eloe gak nyampe ewe-ewe !
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***Ketahuan lu kristen krn keturunan doang ....Ngapain aja lu di AS? Jadi 
pelayan restoran?  Salam ya sama nyokap lu ...
   
  Dalih macam lu itu udah basi: Nih gua kutipin kata pengantar sebuah tulisan 
yg ditulis orang kristen AS sendiri: 
   
  History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to 
have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed.  Through 
subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful 
Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted 
to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order 
to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus.  However, from the earliest 
formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, 
Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. 
Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books 
before they address their pews and chat rooms.
    Lalu Lu baca potongan-potongan pernyataan si Hitler biadab itu di bawah: 
   
  Quotes from Hitler:
      Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith 
and feelings toward a Christianized Germany.  Nazism presents an embarrassment 
to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin 
him on other theistic views.  The following words from Hitler show his disdain 
for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:
      “National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it 
is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles.  In 
its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people 
defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded 
occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to 
steal into our Movement.  Such folk are not National Socialists, but something 
else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us.  At the head of 
our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and 
straightforward profession of belief.  But since we set as the central point of 
this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the 
security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance 
of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a 
new house of worship, but openly before the face of
 the Lord…  Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for 
that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.  Our humility is the 
unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are 
known to us men.”  -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.  [Christians 
have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is 
written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]
      “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.  We 
have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that 
not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf 
Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes 
modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.  Hitler wanted to form 
a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning 
of such to be heresy.  The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all 
who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should 
be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief 
in Christ.]
      Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the 
Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism: 
      "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. 
 It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, 
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them 
and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In 
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which 
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive 
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight 
for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, 
with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that 
it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I 
have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a 
fighter for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could 
demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that
 daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf 
Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of 
Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University 
Press, 1942)
      "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it 
was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars.  Only 
from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this 
intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf 
(It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism 
alters on which Christianity was founded.)
      "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the 
living shape of the Jew."  -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and 
the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from 
the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up 
until the 20th century.)
      "With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in 
wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing 
her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one 
race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their 
own.  Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)      
      “The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious 
education, the Jew himself.  His life is only of this world, and his spirit is 
inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years 
previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine.  Of course, the latter 
made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he 
even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all 
humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his 
business existence.  In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our 
present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at 
elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish 
parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
      "…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." 
 -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from 
Eden for their sins.  Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews 
for their sin against Christ.)
      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of 
the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for 
the work of the Lord.”  –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
      “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was 
based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”  –Adolf Hitler Mein 
Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler 
raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he 
has a problem with Jews for their belief not race.  That is why many German 
Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)
  “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first 
prerequisite for success.  This persistence, however, can always and only arise 
from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a 
firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.”  –Adolf Hitler Mein 
Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so 
successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)
  Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion: 
      "Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and 
the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was 
obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, 
above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would 
remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real 
attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide."  
(Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96) 
    



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