Yap, itulah nama al-Quran yang dikumpulkan dan ditulis diatas
kertas:al-Mushaf..
Dan itulah yang saya pakai: al-Mushaf.
On 5 Jul 06, at 7:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ngeyel jo?
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> when the Qur'an was collected and written on paper they
> wanted to give it A NAME
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> tau arti tulisan diatas gak?
> he...he...he...he...... mo melawak jo?
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> "Jusfiq Hadjar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@yahoogroups.com on 07/05/2006
> 09:27:31 AM
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> On 5 Jul 06, at 7:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Synonym
> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> >
> >
> > Synonyms (in ancient Greek syn 'ÃÆÃâ¦Ã½' = plus and onoma
> > 'ÃÅýÿüñ' = name) are different words with similar or
> > identical meanings and are interchangeable.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.brainydictionary.com/
> >
> > One of two or more words (commonly words of the same language)
> > which are equivalents of each other; one of two or more words
> > which have very nearly the same signification, and therefore may
> > often be used interchangeably.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
> >
> > syn÷o÷nym Pronunciation(sn-nm)
> > n.
> > 1. A word having the same or
> > nearly
> > the same meaning as another word or other words in a
> > language. 2. A word or an
> > expression that serves as a figurative or symbolic substitute for
> > another. 3. Biology A scientific name of an organism or of a
> > taxonomic group that has been superseded by another name at the
> > same rank.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.die.net/
> >
> > Synonym \Syn"o*nym\ (s[i^]n"[-o]*n[i^]m), n.; pl. Synonyms
> > (-n[i^]mz). [F. synonyme, L. synonyma, pl. of synonymum, Gr.
> > synw`nymon. See Synonymous.] One of two or more words (commonly
> > words of the same language) which are equivalents of each other;
> > one of two or more words which have very nearly the same
> > signification, and therefore may often be used interchangeably.
> > See under Synonymous. [Written also synonyme.]
> >
> >
> > jadi sinonim itu mesti bisa saling ganti interchangeably , dan ini
> > dulu udah saya jelaskan tapi ngeyelnya duh minta ampun..... yah..
> > mungkin kembali perlu dikukuhkan gelar master lawak di milist ini
> > deh buat uda........
> >
> > karena statement :
> > Allah menurunkan Quran atau
> > Orang sedang mendengarkan AlQuran
> > Ada alQuran dalam kaset
> > ada AlQuran dalam CD
> >
> > kata al-Quran disini tidak dapat dituker dengan alMushaf....
> > sekali lagi ini udah saya jelaskan dulu dulu...tapi duh Ngeyelnya
> > minta ampun....
> >
>
> Dan tetap saja:
>
> "The Qur'an is also called al-Furqan. According to Dr. Sobhy
> as-Salih, this word is also not Arabic but Aramaic (ibid, p. 20). The
> Qur'an was also called Mushaf meaning "sheets or leaves". According to
> Dr. Salih, "when the Qur'an was collected and written on paper they
> wanted to give it A NAME. The word, Sifr, was suggested by some. It
> was rejected on the grounds that this is what the Jews call their
> books. Some suggested the word Mushaf because this is what the
> Ethiopian [Christians] call their holy books." (ibid, p. 78) "
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "justjoiningthetribes"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@yahoogroups.com on 07/05/2006
> > 06:15:04 AM Setelah saya baca postingan dari MARLENE VAN DOORN'S
> > jusfiq hadjar (66) di bawah ini.
> >
> > Terlihat jelas bahwa yang dimaksudnya almushaf adalah sinonim
> > Al-Quran, adalah hyponym.
> >
> > he..he...
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq Hadjar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Bukan urusan saya...
> >
> > On 16 Jul 06, at 14:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > setelah ditunjukkan oleh sdr saya JJTT, bahwa uda tidak mengerti
> > > dengan baik soal bahasa inggris, sebaiknya uda minta tolong ke
> > > orang lain agar nerjemahin kalimat yang uda posting sendiri ini :
> > > ------------------ when the Qur'an was collected and written on
> > > paper they wanted to give it A NAME ---------------------
> > >
> > > jadi kalau yang dicollect diotak dan tidak ditulis dikertas..
> > > disebut alMushaf juga?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jusfiq Hadjar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@yahoogroups.com on 07/04/2006
> > > 04:23:44 PM
> > >
> > > Saya cuma mau menggaris bawahi alinea ini saja:
> > >
> > > "The Qur'an is also called al-Furqan. According to Dr. Sobhy
> > > as-Salih, this word is also not Arabic but Aramaic (ibid, p. 20).
> > > The Qur'an was also called Mushaf meaning "sheets or leaves".
> > > According to Dr. Salih, "when the Qur'an was collected and written
> > > on paper they wanted to give it A NAME. The word, Sifr, was
> > > suggested by some. It was rejected on the grounds that this is
> > > what the Jews call their books. Some suggested the word Mushaf
> > > because this is what the Ethiopian [Christians] call their holy
> > > books." (ibid, p. 78) "
> > >
> > > Jadi,al-Quran itu juga, disamping nama-nama lain, disebut
> > > al-Mushaf...
> > >
> > > Seperti yang saya katakan dan disalahkan oleh cahyo_prihartono
> > > yang dungu kayak anjing,bebaldantukang muter-muter itu
> > >
> > > ---------.
> > >
> > > QUR'AN
> > > QURAN
> > > KORAN
> > > CORAN
> > > In Syraic (= Christian Aramaic) qeryaanaa: scriptural reading.
> > > Occurs 66 times in the Qur'an. See also ARABIC, WORD OF GOD.
> > >
> > > Etymology of the word "Qur'an"
> > >
> > > According to Dr. Sobhy as-Salih, this word is not Arabic but
> > > Aramaic. He said: "Allah chose to His revelation new names
> > > different from those used by the Arabs, in general and in detail."
> > > (Sobhy as-Salih, Mabahith fi 'Ulum al-Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm
> > > lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 17) He also said, "When the Arabs
> > > before Islam used the word (qara') it meant 'to be pregnant or to
> > > have a child'. But the word qara' as 'to recite' is of an Aramaic
> > > origin." (ibid, p. 19). [Aside: If the latter is true, then those
> > > Muslims who try to show that Muhmmad was illiterate will find this
> > > funny. Of course, when Gabriel told him to "be pregnant or have a
> > > child," it must be he cannot, a perfectly logical and correct
> > > answer!]
> > >
> > > Further reference for this etymological derivation (in German):
> > > Christoph Luxenberg, Die syro-aramäische Lesart des Koran: ein
> > > Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Koransprache, Berlin 2000 (ISBN
> > > 3-86093-274-8). Luxenberg gives the complete etymology of qur'aan
> > > from qeryaanaa in detailed steps.
> > >
> > > The Qur'an is also called al-Furqan. According to Dr. Sobhy
> > > as-Salih, this word is also not Arabic but Aramaic (ibid, p. 20).
> > > The Qur'an was also called Mushaf meaning "sheets or leaves".
> > > According to Dr. Salih, "when the Qur'an was collected and written
> > > on paper they wanted to give it A NAME. The word, Sifr, was
> > > suggested by some. It was rejected on the grounds that this is
> > > what the Jews call their books. Some suggested the word Mushaf
> > > because this is what the Ethiopian [Christians] call their holy
> > > books." (ibid, p. 78)
> > >
> > > It seems strange that for all the titles of the Qur'an, none of
> > > them were actually Arabic, especially when the Qur'an says that
> > > Allah sent it down in Arabic (Yusuf 12:2; ar-Ra`d 13:37; an-Nahl
> > > 16:103; ash-Shu`ara' 26:195; az-Zumar 39:28; Ha Mim Sajdah 41:3;
> > > ash-Shura 42:7; az-Zukhruf 43:3; al- Ahqaf 46:12).
> > >
> > > The Qur'an was not written down in full, but revealed piecemeal
> > > over the period of 22 years.
> > >
> > > The Message of the Qur'an
> > > Recommendation: A Topical Study of the Qur'an
> > >
> > > Summary of Qur'an details
> > > Some surahs have alternative names. They are given in a new line
> > > [and in brackets]. However, the list of alternative names is not
> > > complete yet.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Should a son of Adam own two valleys full of wealth, he would
> > > > seek a third valley, and nothing wou ld fill Ibn Adam's abdomen
> > > > but the soil."
> > > >
> > > > We used to read a chapter similar to the Musabihat and I forgot
> > > > it. I only remember the following:
> > > >
> > > > "Oh you who believe, why do you say what you do not do? Thus, a
> > > > testimony will be written on your n ecks and you will be
> > > > questioned about it on the day of judgement."
> > > >
> > > > Muslim also reported in the book Al-Ridhaa (book of nursing),
> > > > part 10, page 29, that Ayeshah [repor tedly] said the following:
> > > > There was in what was revealed in the Qur'an that ten times of
> > > > nursing k nown with certainty mak es the nursing woman a mother
> > > > of a nursed child. This number of nursings would make the woman
> > > > "hara m" (forbidden) to the child.
> > > >
> > > > Muhammad died while these words were recorded and read in the
> > > > Qur'an.
> > > >
> > > > Umar reportedly said that Chap 33 is incomplete
> > > >
> > > > Al-Muttaqi Ali Ibn Husam Ad-Deen, in his book "Mukhtasar Kanz
> > > > al-Ummal," (printed on the margin of Imam Ahmad's Musnad, part
> > > > two, page two), in his hadith about chapter 33, said that Ibn
> > > > Murdawayh r eported that Huthaifah said: Umar said to me "How
> > > > many verses are contained in the chapter of Al-Ahzab?" I said,
> > > > "72 or 73 verses." He said it was almost as long as the chapter
> > > > of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and i n it was the verse
> > > > of s toning.
> > > >
> > > > Al-Hakim An-Nisaboori in his book "Al-Mustadrak" in the book of
> > > > commentary on the Qur'an, part two, page 224, reported that
> > > > Ubayy Ibn Kaab (whom the Prophet called the leader of Al-ansar),
> > > > said that the Messenger of God s aid to him: Certainly the
> > > > Almighty commanded me to read the Qur'an in front of you, and he
> > > > read "Th e unbelievers from the people of the Book and the
> > > > pagans will not change their way until they see t he evidence.
> > > > Those who disbelieve among the people of the scripture and the
> > > > idolators could not change until the clear pro of came unto
> > > > them. A Messenger from Allah, reading purified pages..." And of
> > > > the very excellent par t of it "Should Ibn Ada m ask for a
> > > > valley full of wealth and I grant it to him, he would ask for
> > > > another valley. And if I grant him that, he would ask for a
> > > > third valley. Nothing would fill the abdomen of Ibn Adam except
> > > > the soil. God accepts t he repentance of anyone who repents. The
> > > > religion in the eyes of God is the Hanafiyah (Islam) rathe r
> > > > than Yahudiyya (Judaism) or Nasraniya (Christianity). Whoever
> > > > does good, his goodness will not be denied.
> > > >
> > > > perfected in truth and justice, al-An`am 6:115
> > > >
> > > > problems within the Qur'an. Taken from Chad VanDixhoorn, Islam
> > > > and Orthodoxy: A Critique of Muslim Apologetics, unpublished
> > > > article, Huron College, London, Canada: 1995.
> > > >
> > > > Muhammad supposed 'Imran or Amran to be the father of the Virgin
> > > > Mary (Sura [cix.] lxvi. 12) - Mary and Elizabeth to be sisters;
> > > > who, with Jesus, John, and Zacharias, make up the family of
> > > > 'Imran. I t is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Muhammad
> > > > is guilty of the anachronism of confounding Miriam with the
> > > > Virgin Ma ry. On the other hand is the difficulty of conceiving
> > > > that as the sequence of time and fact is obse rved with
> > > > tolerable acc uracy in regard to the main features of Jewish and
> > > > Christian History, he should have fallen into so serious an
> > > > error, or have so inadvertently adopted, as Mr. Muir supposes,
> > > > the phraseology of his J ewish informants (among st whom the
> > > > only well-known Mary (Miriam) was the daughter of 'Imran and the
> > > > sister of Moses) as to have overlooked the discrepancy in their
> > > > respective dates. But it is possible that Muhammad believ ed, as
> > > > some Muslim writ ers assert, that Miriam's soul and body were
> > > > miraculously preserved till the time of Jesus in order to become
> > > > Mary his mother. Certainly the Talmudists fabled that the Angel
> > > > of Death and the worm of corruption had no powe r over Miriam."
> > > >
> > > > Ta Ha 20:90 records a Samaritan helping the Israelites build the
> > > > golden calf. The Samaritans only c ame into existence after
> > > > about 600 B.C. when Israel and Judah were taken into captivity.
> > > > Not the ti me of the Exodus.
> > > >
> > > > Commentators understand that Surah al-Kahf 18:89-98 refers to
> > > > Alexander the Great. The passage reco rds that he was a devout
> > > > Muslim and lived to a ripe old history records that he was a
> > > > polytheist an d died young.
> > > >
> > > > In Surah Hud 11:42-43 "Noah's (unnamed) son is said to have
> > > > refused to take refuge in the ark while the flood waters were
> > > > rising, and despite his father's plea, chose rather to flee to a
> > > > mountaintop , from which he was swe pt away by a wave. (Genesis
> > > > 6-7 indicates that Noah had only three sons, and that they all
> > > > entered the ark. Genesis 10 gives the line of descendants from
> > > > each.")
> > > >
> > > > Surah Yusuf 12:11-20 records that "Joseph did not go seeking his
> > > > brother up at Dothan (As Genesis 3 7 records), but rather the
> > > > brothers, having already plotted his death, persuaded Jacob to
> > > > let him g o with them simply for fun and sport. Having gotten
> > > > him into their power, they put him down into a well with water
> > > > in it ( rather than a dry pit). Nor was it they who sold him to
> > > > the passing merchantmen, but rather a chanc e wayfarer who had
> > > > come to the well to draw water. He sold the boy to the merchants
> > > > "for a few dirhams" (rather than the s ubstantial price of
> > > > twenty shekels of silver, as Gen. 37:28 states.)"
> > > >
> > > > Contrast Surah ash-Shu`ara 26:55-60 with Exodus 1:9 and Surah
> > > > al-Baqarah 2:57, al-Baqarah 2:61 with Exodus and Numbers. The
> > > > Quran records that "During the exodus, the Israelites became
> > > > tired of mann a and demanded vegetabl es from the soil. After
> > > > scolding them, Moses said, Get down to Egypt, for you shall have
> > > > what you a sked.' They proceeded to do so: And they returned
> > > > with wrath from God.' Ancient history is very cle ar that "while
> > > > disconte nted Israelites spoke of returning to Egypt, none of
> > > > them actually did so. . . .In this connection, it is stated v.
> > > > as-Saff 61: They disbelieved the signs of God, and slew the
> > > > Prophets unjustly; thi s, for they rebelled an d transgressed.'"
> > > > The Bible records no prophets being killed prior to Moses.
> > > >
> > > > reason for, al-Jum`ah 62:2
> > > >
> > > > recensions, seven, Sahih Bukhari vol. 3, book 41, no.601, Sahih
> > > > Bihari vol. 6, book 61, no. 514, Sa hih Bihari vol. 9, book 93,
> > > > no. 640 Narrated Ibn Abbas: Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel read
> > > > the Qur'an to me in one way (i.e. dialect) and I continued aski
> > > > ng him to read it in different ways till he read it in seven
> > > > different ways." (Sahih Bukhari 4.442, also Sahih Bukhari 6.5
> > > > 13) Interestingly, this hadith tells us that it was not Gabriel
> > > > (hence Allah) who initiated the reading in seven different ways,
> > > > but was on Muhammad's initiative.
> > > >
> > > > recite as much as you may do with ease, al-Muzammil 73:20
> > > >
> > > > record of decisions of divine will.
> > > > Book of Jubilee 3:10 states that the law of purification of
> > > > woman after childbirth are written in t he tablets in heaven.
> > > > Jubilee 12:8 regard "Feast of Booths" ( Leviticus 23:40-43).
> > > > Jubilee 5:13 sta tes that the divine jud gement on all that
> > > > exists on earth is written on tablets in heaven. Book of Enoch
> > > > prophesied future from contents of this tablet. (XCII:2, LXXXI,
> > > > CIII:2, CVI:19, Also Encyclopaedia of Islam, p.288 q uoted by
> > > > Abdul-Haqq)
> > > >
> > > > religious system perfected in, al-Ma'idah 5:3
> > > >
> > > > Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
> > > > Once a Jew said to me, "O the chief of believers! There is a
> > > > verse in your Holy Book Which is read by all of you (Muslims),
> > > > and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on
> > > > which it was revealed as a day o f celebration." 'Umar bin
> > > > Al-Khattab asked, "Which is that verse?" The Jew replied, "This
> > > > day I hav e perfected your religion For you, completed My favor
> > > > upon you, And have chosen for you Islam as yo ur religion."
> > > > (al-Ma'id ah 5:3) 'Umar replied, "No doubt, we know when and
> > > > where this verse was revealed to the Prophet. It was Friday and
> > > > the Prophet was standing at 'Arafat (i.e. the Day of Hajj)"
> > > > (Sahih Bukhari 1.43)
> > > >
> > > > revealed but not in Qur'an (???)
> > > > Narrated Ash-Sha'bi:
> > > > Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, 'Have you got any book (which
> > > > has been revealed to the Prophet apar t from the Qur'an)?' 'Ali
> > > > replied, 'No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding
> > > > which has been bestowed (by Alla h) upon a Muslim or what is
> > > > (written) in this sheet of paper (with me).' Abu Juhaifa said,
> > > > "I asked , 'What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali
> > > > replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (b lood money)
> > > > paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom
> > > > for the releasing of the captives from the hand s of the
> > > > enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas
> > > > (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disb eliever).
> > > > (Sahih Bukhari 1.111) see The Collection of the Qur'an - from
> > > > the Hadiths for more details.
> > > >
> > > > revealed in Arabic, Yusuf 12:2; ar-Ra`d 13:37; an-Nahl 16:103;
> > > > Ta Ha 20:113; ash-Shu`ara' 26:195; a z-Zumar 39:28; Ha Mim
> > > > Sajdah 41:3; az-Zukhruf 43:3; ad-Dukhan 44:58
> > > >
> > > > revealed in truth, al-An`am 6:14
> > > >
> > > > sent forth "in waves" (gradually), al-Mursalat 77:1
> > > >
> > > > source of health, bani Isra'il 17:82; Ha Mim Sajdah 41:44
> > > >
> > > > standardization, see Uthman
> > > >
> > > > surah mentioning war, Muhammad 47:20
> > > >
> > > > transcription underway at Mecca, al-Furqan 25:5
> > > >
> > > > untranslatable, see Is The Qur'an Translatable? Early Muslim
> > > > Opinion
> > > >
> > > > upon an imperishable tablet, al-Buruj 85:21-22.
> > > > "Rabbi Simeon ben Laqish saith, "What is it that which is
> > > > written, 'And I shall give thee tablets o f stone, and the Law,
> > > > and the commandment which I have written, that thou mayest teach
> > > > them' (Ex XX IV:12)?" The tablets -- these are the ten
> > > > commandments; the Law, that which is read; and the Commandments;
> > > > t his is the Mishnah, which I have written, these are the
> > > > Prophets and the Hagiographa: that thou may est teach them, this
> > > > de notes the Gamara. This teaches that all of them were given to
> > > > Moses from Sinai. (Tract Berakhoth qu oted in vol 5. Col. 1)
> > > >
> > > > Uthmanic codex, (Ar: Mushaf Uthmani), see Uthman
> > > >
> > > > Some interesting things:
> > > > Caliph Alwalid ibn Yazid, who ruled the Muslims in the year 743
> > > > A.D. said:
> > > >
> > > > "Talaaba be-inoboati Hashimeon bela wahion attaho wala kitabo w"
> > > > (The Islamic Caliphate, p. 59) which means Muhammad the
> > > > Hashemite manipulated people by his claim that he was a prophet,
> > > > without true inspiration or an inspired book. Caliph Abd
> > > > Al-Malik ibn Marwan, who was a Muslim leader and scholar of the
> > > > Qur'an, after becoming the Caliph, folded the Qur'an and said,
> > > > "this is the last time I will ever use you." (The Islamic
> > > > Caliphate, p. 173)
> > > >
> > > > an-Nisa' 4:82; al-Ma'idah 5:16; al-An`am 6:19; al-A`raf 7:204;
> > > > at-Taubah 9:111; Yunus 10:15-16; al-Ma'idah 5:6,30,32; Hud
> > > > 11:13-14; Yusuf 12:3; al- Hijr 15:87,91; an-Nahl 16:98; bani
> > > > Isra'il 17:9,41,46,60,78,88-89,106; al- Kahf 18:54; Ta Ha 20:2;
> > > > al-Furqan 25:4; an-Naml 27:1,6,76,92; al-Qasas 28:85; ar-Rum
> > > > 30:58; Saba' 34:31; Sad 38:1-2; az-Zumar 39:27; Ha Mim Sajdah
> > > > 41:41; ash-Shura 42:7; az-Zukhruf 43:31; al-Ahqaf 46:12,29;
> > > > Muhammad 47:24; Qaf 50:1-2,45; al-Qamar 54:17,22,32,40;
> > > > ar-Rahman 55:2; al-Waqi`ah 56:75,77; al-Hashr 59:21; al-Haqqah
> > > > 69:40; al-Jinn 72:1; al-Muzammil 73:4,20; ad-Dahr 76:23;
> > > > al-Inshiqaq 84:21,
> > > >
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> > > Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo
> > > .......................................
> > >
> > > Orang Islam tipikal kudu sadar bahwa al-Mushaf itu TIDAK berbukti
> > berisi wahyu Allah
> > > dan hadits itu mustahil ada yang sahih
> >
> > ---
> > Brief CV of Jusfiq Hadjar
> >
> > Jusfiq Hadjar, a christian, 66 years old, is an Indonesian living in
> > the Netherlands. He currently lives together out of wed-lock with
> > Marlene Van Doorn - a documentalist in African Studies Center (ASC)
> > library - in Leiden.
> >
> > Jusfiq Hadjar has, thus far, succesfully deceived many NGOs into
> > believing that he is a human rights activistist. One of the NGOs
> > that has been trapped in his lies is a Muslim human rights group,
> > the Movement against Racism and for Friendship among Peoples.
> >
> > Jusfiq Hadjar is very active in his campaigns against Islam and
> > Muslims on the Internet, especially in several Indonesian mailing
> > lists. He will spread massive amounts of offensive, slanderous,
> > lying statements against Islam and Muslims day in and day out and at
> > the same time claiming that he is a Muslim.
> >
> > Undoubtedly, Jusfiq Hadjar is one of those people who still thinks
> > that adhering to a daily routine of cursing and swearing on the
> > Internet would help to make him look intelligent and preserve his
> > sanity. It shoots no wonder then if you find mosts of his writings
> > on the Internet are just about cursing and swearing at Muslims and
> > licking the ass of his christian friends.
> >
> > Jusfiq Hadjar has joined several mailing lists in order to spread
> > his severe hatred against Islam and Muslim on the Internet:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/islamkristen/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apakabar/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minangnet/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/istiqlal/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/partai-keadilan/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ijtihad/
> >
> > Marlene Van Doorn is very supportive of his life partner's evil
> > activities on the Internet, and gives her financial support by
> > providing him with meals, accomodation and Internet connection. He
> > is also allegedly financed by Leiden church.
> >
> > He has no children.
> >
> >
>
>
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