http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1868137.ece

Army chief says British troops should be pulled out of Iraq 
By Andy McSmith 
Published: 13 October 2006 
Tony Blair has received a public warning from the country's most senior 
military commander that the British presence in Iraq is threatening disaster 
there and in the UK. 

General Sir Richard Dannatt, who took over as Chief of Staff six weeks ago, has 
warned the commitment to Iraq "exacerbates" problems faced by the UK in other 
parts of the world. He urged Mr Blair to give up his ambition to see a liberal 
democracy established in Iraq and settle for a "lower ambition", warning that 
British troops were not invited into Iraq and the time when they were welcome 
has passed.

He said: "Let's face it, the military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively 
kicked the door in. Whatever consent we may have had in the first place may 
have turned to tolerance and has largely turned to intolerance. I don't say 
that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our 
presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them."

He also warned against a spiritual "vacuum" in the UK that he believes is 
posing a threat to a society no longer bound together by the Christian 
religion, and complained that the treatment of wounded soldiers in NHS 
hospitals breaks the unwritten "covenant" between the nation and its armed 
forces.

His attack - one of the most outspoken commentaries on government policy to be 
heard from a senior serving officer for years - will put Mr Blair under intense 
pressure to speed up the withdrawal from Iraq. But it will also anger Labour 
ministers, who will see it as an unacceptable interference in political 
decisions from a serving solder.

The Prime Minister has repeatedly said that British troops will stay in Iraq 
"until the job is done", and the government in Baghdad is strong enough to 
handle its own internal security. His advisers are calculating on that taking 
several years.

But Sir Richard urged, in an interview in today's Daily Mail, that the UK 
should "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the 
security problems. We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners 
in their country are quite clear."

He added: "I think history will show that the planning for what happened after 
the initial successful war fighting phase was poor, probably based more on 
optimism than sound planning.

"The original intention was that we put in place a liberal democracy that was 
an exemplar for the region, was pro-West and might have a beneficial effect on 
the balance within the Middle East. That was the hope, whether that was a 
sensible or naïve hope, history will judge. I don't think we are going to do 
that. I think we should aim for a lower ambition."

His remarks prompted an immediate call from the Liberal Democrats for a change 
of strategy in Iraq. Their leader, Sir Menzies Campbell, warned: "Brick by 
brick, government policy on Iraq is collapsing. Senior military figures who 
were always doubtful about action in Iraq and its aftermath are becoming 
increasingly anxious about our role and the risks involved. There is no doubt 
however that there is a slide towards civil war."

The Tory defence spokesman Liam Fox said: "To have one of our senior military 
figures speaking out on behalf of those under his command is a refreshing 
change. When I was in Iraq, soldiers told me the same thing."

Sir Richard also lamented the disappearance from British society of what he 
called the "broader Judaic-Christian tradition" which underpins the Army.

He said: "When I see the Islamist threat in this country I hope it doesn't make 
undue progress because there is a moral and spiritual vacuum in this country. 
Our society has always been embedded in Christian values; once you have pulled 
the anchor up there is a danger that our society moves with the prevailing 
wind. I think it is up to society to realise that is the situation we are in.

"We can't wish the Islamist challenge to our society away and I believe that 
the Army, both in Iraq and Afghanistan and probably wherever we go next, is 
fighting the foreign dimension of the challenge to our accepted way of life. We 
need to face up to the Islamist threat, to those who act in the name of Islam 
and, in a perverted way, try to impose Islam by force on societies that do not 
wish it.

"It is said that we live in a post-Christian society. I think that is a great 
shame. The broader Judaic-Christian tradition has underpinned British society. 
It underpins the British Army."

He added that he had been "outraged" that a soldier recovering in hospital was 
told by an objector to remove his uniform, and had complained to Mr Browne that 
the "covenant" between the Army and the nation was being ignored. "I said to 
the Secretary of State the Army won't let the nation down but I don't want the 
nation to let the Army down," he said.

"It is not acceptable for our casualties to be in mixed wards with civilians. I 
was outraged at the story of someone saying 'take your uniform off'. Our people 
need the privacy of recovering in a military environment."

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said last night: "We have a clear strategy in 
Iraq. We are there with our international partners, in support of the 
democratically elected Government of Iraq, under a clear UN mandate."

Staunch defender of his soldiers

General Sir Richard Dannatt was appointed in August this year, taking over from 
General Sir Mike Jackson. His predecessor had faced criticism from within the 
Army that he was not standing up for its interests. It is unlikely the same 
could now be said of General Dannatt.

Quieter than his predecessor, the 55-year-old father of four has commanded 
British forces in Bosnia and Kosovo, having begun service in Northern Ireland, 
where his bravery won him the Military Cross at the age of 22 - although that 
is something he apparently will not discuss in public.

His appointment may well have been welcomed in Whitehall - prior to taking the 
promotion as head of the Army, he was commander-in-chief of British land 
forces. He also has experience serving as a military assistant in the private 
office of defence ministers and held key posts at the heart of the MOD.

Any hope that he would exercise a mandarin's discretion at any cost once in 
post has not been met. In September, he used his first interview to warn how 
much troops were being stretched in Afghanistan, asking: "Can we cope? Just." 

Tony Blair has received a public warning from the country's most senior 
military commander that the British presence in Iraq is threatening disaster 
there and in the UK. 

General Sir Richard Dannatt, who took over as Chief of Staff six weeks ago, has 
warned the commitment to Iraq "exacerbates" problems faced by the UK in other 
parts of the world. He urged Mr Blair to give up his ambition to see a liberal 
democracy established in Iraq and settle for a "lower ambition", warning that 
British troops were not invited into Iraq and the time when they were welcome 
has passed.

He said: "Let's face it, the military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively 
kicked the door in. Whatever consent we may have had in the first place may 
have turned to tolerance and has largely turned to intolerance. I don't say 
that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our 
presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them."

He also warned against a spiritual "vacuum" in the UK that he believes is 
posing a threat to a society no longer bound together by the Christian 
religion, and complained that the treatment of wounded soldiers in NHS 
hospitals breaks the unwritten "covenant" between the nation and its armed 
forces.

His attack - one of the most outspoken commentaries on government policy to be 
heard from a senior serving officer for years - will put Mr Blair under intense 
pressure to speed up the withdrawal from Iraq. But it will also anger Labour 
ministers, who will see it as an unacceptable interference in political 
decisions from a serving solder.

The Prime Minister has repeatedly said that British troops will stay in Iraq 
"until the job is done", and the government in Baghdad is strong enough to 
handle its own internal security. His advisers are calculating on that taking 
several years.

But Sir Richard urged, in an interview in today's Daily Mail, that the UK 
should "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the 
security problems. We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners 
in their country are quite clear."

He added: "I think history will show that the planning for what happened after 
the initial successful war fighting phase was poor, probably based more on 
optimism than sound planning.

"The original intention was that we put in place a liberal democracy that was 
an exemplar for the region, was pro-West and might have a beneficial effect on 
the balance within the Middle East. That was the hope, whether that was a 
sensible or naïve hope, history will judge. I don't think we are going to do 
that. I think we should aim for a lower ambition."

His remarks prompted an immediate call from the Liberal Democrats for a change 
of strategy in Iraq. Their leader, Sir Menzies Campbell, warned: "Brick by 
brick, government policy on Iraq is collapsing. Senior military figures who 
were always doubtful about action in Iraq and its aftermath are becoming 
increasingly anxious about our role and the risks involved. There is no doubt 
however that there is a slide towards civil war."

The Tory defence spokesman Liam Fox said: "To have one of our senior military 
figures speaking out on behalf of those under his command is a refreshing 
change. When I was in Iraq, soldiers told me the same thing."

Sir Richard also lamented the disappearance from British society of what he 
called the "broader Judaic-Christian tradition" which underpins the Army.

He said: "When I see the Islamist threat in this country I hope it doesn't make 
undue progress because there is a moral and spiritual vacuum in this country. 
Our society has always been embedded in Christian values; once you have pulled 
the anchor up there is a danger that our society moves with the prevailing 
wind. I think it is up to society to realise that is the situation we are in.

"We can't wish the Islamist challenge to our society away and I believe that 
the Army, both in Iraq and Afghanistan and probably wherever we go next, is 
fighting the foreign dimension of the challenge to our accepted way of life. We 
need to face up to the Islamist threat, to those who act in the name of Islam 
and, in a perverted way, try to impose Islam by force on societies that do not 
wish it.

"It is said that we live in a post-Christian society. I think that is a great 
shame. The broader Judaic-Christian tradition has underpinned British society. 
It underpins the British Army."

He added that he had been "outraged" that a soldier recovering in hospital was 
told by an objector to remove his uniform, and had complained to Mr Browne that 
the "covenant" between the Army and the nation was being ignored. "I said to 
the Secretary of State the Army won't let the nation down but I don't want the 
nation to let the Army down," he said.

"It is not acceptable for our casualties to be in mixed wards with civilians. I 
was outraged at the story of someone saying 'take your uniform off'. Our people 
need the privacy of recovering in a military environment."

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said last night: "We have a clear strategy in 
Iraq. We are there with our international partners, in support of the 
democratically elected Government of Iraq, under a clear UN mandate."

Staunch defender of his soldiers

General Sir Richard Dannatt was appointed in August this year, taking over from 
General Sir Mike Jackson. His predecessor had faced criticism from within the 
Army that he was not standing up for its interests. It is unlikely the same 
could now be said of General Dannatt.

Quieter than his predecessor, the 55-year-old father of four has commanded 
British forces in Bosnia and Kosovo, having begun service in Northern Ireland, 
where his bravery won him the Military Cross at the age of 22 - although that 
is something he apparently will not discuss in public.

His appointment may well have been welcomed in Whitehall - prior to taking the 
promotion as head of the Army, he was commander-in-chief of British land 
forces. He also has experience serving as a military assistant in the private 
office of defence ministers and held key posts at the heart of the MOD.

Any hope that he would exercise a mandarin's discretion at any cost once in 
post has not been met. In September, he used his first interview to warn how 
much troops were being stretched in Afghanistan, asking: "Can we cope? Just." 


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