sudah dibilang kalo di perancis ada dokumen yg jumlahnya ribuan the Bibliotheque Nationale de France has some 5000 folios from different manuscripts
some quotes: Robert Hoyland : the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some have claimed. John Burton: What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperebatkan lagi keotentikan al quran.. bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu sudah bisa ngepost email di kampung petar ... --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ribuan? > > Ngibul. > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > dan jusfiq tidak henti2nya ngarang dan mendustakan temuan lain dari > > para ahli .. > > ribuan skrip dari abad pertama hijriah padahal sudah terdokumentasi > > dengan baik dan tersimpan di museum2 termasuk di prancis > > > > http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/museum.html > > > > > > Robert Hoyland : > > the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some > > have claimed. > > John Burton: > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dan Burton bisa teriak-teriak kayak anjing lapar melolong, tapi dia > > > bukan ahli paleografi... > > > > > > Paleograf yang telah melakukan penelitian perkamen dan palimpsest > > > Sanna adalah Puin. > > > > > > Dan dia tahu apa yang dibicarakannnya. > > > > > > Katanya: kita tidak punya bukti arkeologis bahwa al-Musahf itu disusun > > > di zaman Usman. Al-Mushaf itu disusun sesudah Usman. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > please refers to the recent post .. hehehe > > > > > > > > John Burton: > > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Burton bisa saja teriak-teriak. > > > > > > > > > > Tapi inilah pendapat Puin yang ahli paleography yang meneliti > > perkamen > > > > > dan palimpsest Sanna: > > > > > > > > > > " Or aucun de ces Corans "othmaniens" n'a été retrouvé. "On n'a > > pas de > > > > > preuves archéologiques que le Coran existait dès cette époque", > > > > > tranche Gerd Puin, qui situe la mise en forme du Coran "après > > Othman". > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada bukti arkeologis yang menujukkan bahw al-Mushaf itu > telah > > > > > ada di zaman Usman. > > > > > > > > > > Al-Mushaf itu disusun sesudah zaman Usman.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > just wanna help u yg sudah renta, dan males nyari di google ... > > > > > > > > > > > > John Burton: > > > > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Persis gaya stalinis... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > semuanya sudah ada di internet, gak perlu dijelasin lebih > > > > lanjut krn > > > > > > > > cuman bantuin kamu yg males mencari kebenaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mirip gaya propaganda stalin... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ngutip omongan orang tanpa penjelasan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor Siaveda > > > > > > > > > > Professor of Marine Geology, Japan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost > > > > > > > unbelievable. I > > > > > > > > > > really think if what you have said is true, the book is > > > > really a > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > remarkable book, I agree." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tejatat Tejasen > > > > > > > > > > Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the > > former Dean > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, > Chiang Mai, > > > > > > Thailand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the last three years, I became interested in the > > > Qur'an... > > > > > > > From my > > > > > > > > > > studies and what I have learned throughout this > > > conference, I > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an > > > fourteen > > > > > > > hundred > > > > > > > > > > years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, > > > > > > > Muhammad must > > > > > > > > > > be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed > > > > to him > > > > > > > as an > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This > > > creator > > > > > > > must be > > > > > > > > > > God, or Allah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, > > > there is > > > > > > no god > > > > > > > > > > to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, > > > > > Muhammad is > > > > > > > > > > Messenger of Allah... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most precious thing I have gained from coming to > this > > > > > > conference > > > > > > > > > > is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Maurice Bucaille > > > > > > > > > > Born in 1920, former chief of the Surgical Clinic, > > > > University of > > > > > > > > > > Paris, has for a long time deeply interested in the > > > > > > correspondences > > > > > > > > > > between the teachings of the Holy Scriptures and modern > > > > secular > > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After a study which lasted ten years, Dr. Maurice > Bucaille > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 concerning the > > > > existence > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and > > > > > > reproduction. > > > > > > > > > > His reason for doing that was that : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that > it is > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > > > to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an > > > could > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern > > > > times." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by > > > those > > > > > > > who see > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How > could > > > > a man, > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > being illiterate, become the most important author, in > > > > terms of > > > > > > > > > > literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific > nature > > > > > that no > > > > > > > > > > other human-being could possibly have developed at that > > > time, > > > > > > > and all > > > > > > > > > > this without once making the slightest error in his > > > > > > pronouncement on > > > > > > > > > > the subject?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Burton: > > > > > > > > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of > Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! 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