ada kutipan laen gak blok? jangan marah blok, keteteran ya? 2007/5/3, hadingrh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > sudah gw bilang tempat lu gak cocok di sini, > mending lu sering2 consult ke psikiater atau ahli otak > kalo perlu minta diamputasi atau diganti sama usus celeng ... > > Robert Hoyland : > the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some > have claimed. > > John Burton: > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperebatkan lagi keotentikan al quran.. > bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu sudah bisa > ngepost email di kampung petar ... > > --- In [email protected], hartono_tjahjadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > buktinya mana blok? hapalan turun temurun dari abad 8 blok?? yemen th > > 1972 ya blok? > > > > 2007/5/2, hadingrh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > "So much for the controversy over the Sana fragments. It was actualy > > > Toby Lester who was the one that tried to inflate this whole issue > > > into something it wasn't, and Dr Puin himself has denied all the > > > findings Lester ascribes to him, apart from the spelling differences. > > > The media and western scholars just lapped it up without conscience, > > > like they always do." > > > > > > John Burton: > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > > >--- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Reposting > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq HADJAR" <tikungan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Christoph Heger > > > > Mar 13 1999, 10:00 am hide options > > > > Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam > > > > From: Christoph.He...@ (Dr. Christoph Heger) - Find > > > > messages by this author > > > > Date: 1999/03/13 > > > > Subject: Gerd-R. Puin's position on the Yemeni Qur'ans > > > > Reply to Author | Forward | Print | View Thread | Show original | > > > > Report Abuse > > > > > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > > > > > > > > > In Toby Lester's article "What is the Koran?", published in the > > > > January 1999 issue of The Atlantic Monthly, a German scholar, Dr. > > > > Gerd-R. Puin, played a prominent role, as he is researching on > > > > the old Yemeni Qur'an manuscripts. Since he felt that his > > > > position concerning Qur'an scholarship could be misunderstood > > > > from this article (and especially its various erroneous Arabic > > > > translations) he asked me to share with this list his following > > > > paper. He himself has no access to the Internet and its mailing > > > > lists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Christoph Heger > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > _____________ > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Dr. Gerd-R. > > > > Puin > > > > FR 7.2 Orientalistik > > > > Universitaet des Saarlandes > > > > D-66111 Saarbruecken > > > > > > > > > > > > January, l999 > > > > > > > > My position concerning my work on Yemeni Koran fragments: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been lucky - and still I am - to study many of the oldest > > > > Yemeni Koran manuscripts written in the most archaic "Hijazi" > > > > style. > > > > > > > > In these I found variants and peculiarities which are not > > > > recorded in the traditional Arabic books on qira'at (variant > > > > readings), or in the books on rasm al- masahif (orthography of > > > > the Koran[s]) nor in those on the ti'dad al-ayat (counting > > > > [systems] of verses). > > > > > > > > The Hijazi Korans show more variants than those recorded as the > > > > Seven, Ten or Fourteen Readings, they show more patterns of > > > > "counting" - i.e. definitions of what is to be understood as a > > > > verse - than the two dozen "schools" of counting would accept, > > > > finally, the sequence of how the surahs were arranged in early > > > > times, was even more variegated than Ibn Nadim's account on the > > > > sequence of surahs in the Korans of Ubayy or Ibn Mas'ud suggests! > > > > > > > > > > > > If I had not had access to Yamani Koran fragments preserved in > > > > the Dar al-Makhtutat al-Yamaniyyah, San'a', I could have possibly > > > > found similar variants and peculiarities in Hijazi fragments of > > > > the Koran kept outside the Yemen in many libraries or museums, > > > > e.g. in France, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, or Kuwait. A most > > > > spectacular (complete??) Hijazi Koran can be admired in the > > > > Islamic Museum of Cairo, only a few meters from the entrance, in > > > > a special vitrine to the right of the main route; this treasure > > > > is in Egypt since 1300 years or so, but I know of no > > > > investigation, of no publication on its peculiarities! > > > > > > > > > > > > There is, on the Muslims' side, no interest in textual research > > > > on the Koran since 900 years! Except from some western semitists > > > > who, from time to time, detect the etymology of one Koranic > > > > expression or another, most of the Arabists feel reluctant to > > > > make up their minds on the genesis of the Koran. The reason for > > > > this kind of negligence is quite clear: Both the Muslims and most > > > > of the Arabists conceive any early deviation from the Koranic > > > > scripture (as is represented by the Cairo print edition) for a > > > > lapsus calami, a mere scribal error. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, if "scribal errors" happen to occur with the same words, > > > > more often than twice, in the same manuscript or even in two or > > > > three, then it is common (philological) sense to look out for a > > > > rationale! > > > > > > > > This is my position: taking recurrent deviations from the > > > > (printed) Koran for serious and not for insufficiencies of the > > > > early scribes! > > > > > > > > The Koran, being the biggest Arabic text corpus extant from late > > > > antiquity, even in its actual printed edition bears witness of > > > > all stages of orthographic reforms through which the text passed > > > > down to us. I feel confident that an insight into the development > > > > of Koranic orthography will at least lead to a different notion > > > > of the text in some cases, and to a better understanding in many > > > > many more passages. > > > > > > > > This will not, I'm afraid, bring about the breakthrough in the > > > > understanding of the Koran, but it might contribute to show that > > > > the Koran has a history, not only in the sense of asbab al-nuzul > > > > ("causes for revelation"). The breakthrough might come along with > > > > the answer upon the question: What is the language of the Koran? > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, I stick to the manuscripts. > > > > > > > > Dr. Gerd-R. Puin > > > > > > > > > > > > Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > > Orang Islam tipikal kudu sadar bahwa al-Mushaf itu TIDAK berbukti > > > > berisi wahyu Allah > > > > dan hadits itu mustahil ada yang sahih > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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