--- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yah .. begitulah ... > standar kapasitas yg dijadikan cuman otaknya jusfiq sj .. > jadi menurutnya gak mungkin ayat yg ribuan itu bisa dihafal .. > padahal, rasulullah memang memberi semangat pada kaum muslim untuk > menghafalnya .. > sesuai dengan arti quran sendiri, yg salah satu artinya adalah > recitation atau hafalan ...
Ini adalah omongan yang nggak berbukti. > > jadi kesimpulan holyland memang tepat ... Ngaco. > > some quotes: > > Robert Hoyland : > the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some > have claimed. > > John Burton: > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > Pernyataan ini ditulisnya tahun 1979.. ["The Collection of The Quraan", 1979, John Burton, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0 521 29652 8, pp. 239-240] Dan yang lebih penting: berbeda dengan ahli paleografi Puin yang bilang ada beda antara al-Musahf Yemen dan al-Mushaf yang beredar sekarang, Burton tidak sempat meneliti parkemen dan palimpsest Sanna. > jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperdebatkan lagi keotentikan al > quran.. al quran itu solid, dan tidak diragukan lagi bahwa itu kalam > Ilahi.. > bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu sudah bisa > ngepost email di kampung petar ... > > --- In [email protected], "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > Pernyataan bahwa "the historical memory of the Muslim community is > > more robust than some have claimed. " hanyalah sekedar omongan yang > > tidak berbukti. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > sekali lagi, kesimpulan akhirnya kita bisa baca dari apa yg dikatakan > > > Robert Hoyland : > > > > > > Firstly, we do have a number of bodies of evidence - especially > > > non-Muslim sources, papyri, inscriptions and archaeological > > > excavations - that can serve as a useful external referent and whose > > > riches are only just beginning to be exploited in a systematic manner. > > > Secondly, the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust > > > than some have claimed. For example, many of the deities, kings and > > > tribes of the pre-Islamic Arabs that are depicted by ninth-century > > > Muslim historians also feature in the epigraphic record, as do many of > > > the rulers and governors of the early Islamic state. This makes it > > > difficult to see how historical scenarios that require for their > > > acceptance a total discontinuity in the historical memory of the > > > Muslim community - such as that Muhammad did not exist, the Qur'an was > > > not written in Arabic, Mecca was originally in a different place etc. > > > - can really be justified. Many of these scenarios rely on absence of > > > evidence, but it seems a shame to make such a recourse when there are > > > so many very vocal forms of material evidence still waiting to be > > studied. > > > > > > > > > some quotes: > > > quran mempunyai arti dasar yaitu hafalan, dan karena ayat2 yg diterima > > > pada sang nabi datang secara gradual, dan dipraktekan langsung dalam > > > kehidupan sehari2 (baik dalam bacaan shalat maupun dalam tindakan > > > lainnya) shg memudahkan untuk diingat oleh pengikutnya.. > > > Robert Hoyland : > > > the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some > > > have claimed. > > > > > > John Burton: > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > > > jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperebatkan lagi keotentikan al > > > quran.. al quran itu solid, dan tidak diragukan lagi bahwa itu kalam > > > Ilahi.. > > > bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu sudah bisa > > > ngepost email di kampung petar ... > > > > > > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
