"rezameutaia" yang dungu kayak anjing dan - tentu saja - berpengetahuan dangkal menyebut Sarkozy 'far right wing'.
--- In [email protected], "rezameutia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > fundamentalism is on the rise. > > pemenang pemilu di prancis, presiden sarkozy, adalah 'far right wing'. > pemilu swiss dimenangkan oleh partai svp 'far right wing' juga. > partai swiss ini sih malahan lebih radikal, memakai kampanye poster > 'black sheep (si ambon) yang ditendang pantatnya oleh domba putih > dengan slogan "more security". > > kesian.., imigran seperti si ambon dan jusfiq yang udah mati-matian > ngebelain si muka pucat di milis ini, ternyata malahan dibikin poster > yang ditendang pantatnya oleh si muka pucat. > > imigran emang cuman jadi beban doang. > > anyway, jadi fundamentalisme itu baik islam, kristen, yahudi, sedang > naik daun. ini ada wawancara koran the jakarta post dengan profesor > ucla tentang sebab naiknya fundamentalisme islam. > > > > ====== > > > > Who's to blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism? > > October 22, 2007 > > ===== > > The debate between the West and the East continues, with many > countries blaming Islam for the emergence of fundamentalist groups > around the world. Prof. Ismail K. Poonawala, Ph.D, a lecturer in > Arabic Studies at the University of California in Los Angeles, spoke > recently with The Jakarta Post's Irawaty Wardany to give his own > account of the situation after presenting a public lecture on Islamic > Studies in the West at the Center for Dialogue and Cooperation among > Civilizations in Jakarta. > > ==== > > Question: You said in your lecture that Western governments played a > part in creating Islamic fundamentalist groups. What did you mean by this? > > Answer: Why I said (they were) a creation of the West is because of > the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and because of the Cold War > between America and Soviet Russia. > > So, as the Soviet Union was involved in Afghanistan, what the > Americans did, they got help, especially money from Saudi Arabia and > the Arab countries, and they supported the Mujahiddin, meaning the > Islamists or fundamentalists. They gave them money and America > supplied all the arms through Pakistan and so this was how the Taliban > government later on came into position because once the Soviets were > defeated in Afghanistan, America's mission was successful and they > felt very joyous. > > They said they had succeeded in their aim of defeating Russia and so > they left and because they left, Afghanistan was in chaos. At least > one has to give credit to the Taliban for establishing some kind of > government and administration, but then it was too fundamentalist. > > Osama Bin Laden, who originates from Saudi Arabia and comes from the > royal family, later supported the Taliban. He opposed the Saudi > Arabian policy of ... establishing an American base in Saudi Arabia. > > Since Osama Bin Laden criticized the Saudi Arabian government, he > could no longer live in Saudi Arabia and went to Afghanistan, where he > also fought against Soviet Russia. In other words, who created or > supported Osama Bin Laden at the very beginning? America. If it had > not supported him, he would not have come into influence. > > Question: But you also said in your lecture that Muslim governments > could be blamed for the creation of fundamentalist groups too. Can you > explain this? > > Answer: Because there is no freedom of thought and no freedom of > expression under most Muslim governments ... all the intellectuals > either are silent or get their books published in other countries. But > then a number of them had to leave the Arab region and live in Europe > or America. > > Question: How about the Indonesian government? > > Answer: I will pass on that question since I'm not as familiar with > Indonesia as I am with the Arab countries, like Pakistan or Iraq. So I > better keep my mouth shut. > > But here, from what I heard from (Din) Syamsuddin, I would blame the > Indonesian government for siding with America against Iran's nuclear > project, because every country has a right to develop nuclear energy. > You can't just blame them. (Nuclear energy) was like a white Christian > monopoly before India and Pakistan became (nuclear) an China became > (nuclear). It was restricted to Russia, America, Great Britain and > France. They are all white Christian groups. > > Question: What do you think is the biggest misconception about Islam > in the West? > > Answer: It is mainly because of the news. Because of the image of > Osama bin Laden and certain fundamentalist movements, they still think > that Islam is very militant and aggressive. All the wrong images ... > are being perpetrated in the media by (people with) vested interests, > especially ... the Jewish lobby in America and ... fundamentalists in > the South. > > Question: So you blame the media for these misconceptions? > > Answer: Yes. The media is (supporting) the growth of fundamentalists > from Christian fundamentalist groups and Zionist groups in America > because officially the Jewish lobby is very powerful and influential. > They buy most American congressmen and senators for reelection. They > give a lot of money, so in that way the American Congress and Senate > is heavily influenced by the Jewish lobby. > > Question: So are you saying they are trying to destroy Islam? > > Answer: No. There are many who are fair minded also. (There are) Jews > who criticize Israeli policy and support the Palestinians. And what > about the Islamic studies thinkers? There are a number of excellent > teachers in American Universities. They are either Christian or Jewish > and they do not have this type of bias. I do not put everybody in the > same basket because not all Muslims are fundamentalist and not all > Muslims are liberal-minded. > > It is only that I blame governments, (some) western governments. The > French and Germans opposed the Americans when they decided to attack > Iraq, so one should try to ... not put each and every person in the > same basket. > > Question: How did the 9/11 incident change the image of Islam in America? > > Answer: Because of that incident, people want to know more about > Islam, whether it is militant or so on and whether what is presented > in the media is true or not. They did not buy it and they want to > study and see what Islam is. So in that way many students are coming > to universities and enrolling in these classes to learn more about > Islam and Islamic history. This is their reaction. > > Unfortunately in America, unless something happens they do not wake > up. Before that they were just asleep. Before that Russia was their > enemy, so everybody was studying the Russian language or Russian > history. Now that Russia is gone, Islam (has been made into) the enemy > of America and the West by some people in the media, but that is also > the reason why they want to learn about Islam. > > Question: Did the 9/11 incident increase the public's understanding > about Islam? > > Answer: Yes it did. Day by day. I think there are ... a number of news > stations which invite Muslim scholars and Muslim professors (to > speak), and there might be some stations that try to present balanced > pictures. > > Even on CNN and CBS there are six special programs about > fundamentalism in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Not absolutely > good, but it is good for American people that (fundamentalism is being > discussed) not only in Islam, but ... in Christianity and ... Judaism > also. So the picture is changing and in American academia and in > universities there is an altogether different picture. A number of > people have written about and ... criticized American foreign policy > and the new image of America. > > > > ============= > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
