aman, coba baca deh semua tulisan yang lu forward. mana yang udah konfirm tentang hal itu?
semuanya masih dalam kapasitas "study". artinya belum konfirm. seperti gw udah bilang, banyak tulisan 'ilmiah' tentang marijuana yang bagus untuk kesehatan, dan semuanya pasti ada di google juga. lalu apa lu langsung percaya tentang tulisan 'ilmiah' tersebut? dipake dong otak lu, man. rokok yang sudah konfirm buruk untuk kesehatan, maka ditulis di bungkusnya. itu fakta! kenapa anggur tidak ditulis di botolnya sebagai pencegah penyakit jantung? karena itu bukan fakta! seperti lu bilang, "pertama2 jika membaca sesuatu harus sedikit berusaha mengerti isi dan maknanya , sehingga kamu bisa mengulasnya dg baik , tidak asal menulis saja !" lu ngerti nggak dengan yang lu forward? atau lu cuman sekedar forward dan nggak perlu dibaca dan nggak perlu dipikir lagi, persis seperti anjing budug melahap taik jusfiq? --- In [email protected], "sentosaaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > itu bukan fakta mediteran. itu sih emang kebiasaan orang eropa > > selatan minumnya anggur dan orang eropa utara minumnya bir. bukannya > > orang mediteran minum wine untuk mencegah penyakit jantung. > --------------------------------------- > > Fakta adalah sesuatu kenyataan dan kenyataan bhw. 1) penduduk > mediteran secara teratur minum wine merah 2) dari statistik mereka > (hampir) tidak mengenal penyakit darah tinggi /penyakit jantung. > > > Kalau mau tau, itulah yg dinamakan fakta2. > Dari fakta2 itu ditarik kesimpulan oleh penyelidik, bhw ada kaitan > antara fakta2 itu. > > Dari sini terlihat bhw. kamu ( saya tidak pakai kata "ente", karena > saya punya bahasa sendiri,bahasa Indonesia sbg bahasa saya ) ini tidak > serius dalam menanggapi suatu tulisan yg kamu baca, atau kamu belum > bisa mengerti jika membaca sesuatu dalam bahasa Indonesia. Dalam > ulasan saya , tak ada kata2/kalimat yg bisa disimpulkan bhw penduduk > mediteran SENGAJA minum wine untuk mencegah penyakit jantung. > Yang ada adalah fakta2 diatas. > ---------------------------------------- > > ><rezameutia@> wrote: > > > apa pernah ada hasil seminar jantung atau kumpulan ahli penyakit > > jantung yang merekomendasikan minum wine untuk mencegah penyakit > > jantung? kalo memang wine bisa mencegah penyakit jantung, kenapa > > nggak ditulis di botol winenya sekalian? seperti peringatan rokok? > > > > sekarang juga banyak tulisan 'ilmiah' yang mengatakan bahwa marijuana > > baik untuk kesehatan. lalu, ente mau percaya tulisan 'ilmiah' tentang > > marijuana begitu aja, kayak jusfiq? > > > > coba aja dateng ke anonymous alcoholic rehab, klub para alkoholik yang > > mau melepaskan diri dari ketergantungan alkohol. tanya lah di klub > > ini, kalo 2 gelas alkohol sehari alkoholik nggak? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Untuk menambah pengetahuan kamu secara umum, kamu bisa membaca2 link2 > dibawah ini ( mudah2an kamu bisa mengerti apa maksud dan isi dari > artikel2 yg tertulis ), banyak laporan dari Kongres Cardiologi sedunia : > > > > Kalau belum puas, cari sendiri per Google: " cardiology hdl moderate > consumption alcohol ". > > > http://nutra-smart.net/redwine.htm > > http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/sevm/abstract.00134425-200404020-00011.htm;jsessionid=HXpbTL3CxBh2zVPRVRJBQJhLmXY2GcjDXk2g0VgT2y2kDXqvQkxp!-1601909834!181195629!8091!-1 > > > http://www.cvspectrum.org/cms/templates/conference.aspx?articleid=8782&zoneid=61 > ( The World Congress of Cardiology 2006 has been convened (September > 2-6) in Barcelona ) > > > yg a.l. ditulis: > > > NUTRITION, ALCOHOL, AND COFFEE > Unlike smoking, nuts and alcohol are here to stay in Europe as studies > continue to tout their CV benefits. The association of nut intake and > coronary heart disease mortality was examined in 399,633 subjects > enrolled in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and > Nutrition (EPIC) study, a large prospective cohort of subjects > recruited from 23 centers in 10 different European countries. The > study, presented by Dr. Joan Sabaté of Loma Linda, California, United > States on behalf of the EPIC Group, confirmed that nut intake is > associated with a decreased risk of coronary heart disease mortality, > with a 40% reduction (HR 0.60; 95% CI, 0.43–0.83) when comparing the > highest (>13g/day) and the lowest (<1g/day) nut-intake categories, and > this remained even after adjustments for coronary risk factors and > dietary variables (HR 0.71; 95% CI, 0.51–0.98). Dr. Sabaté estimated > that in a population where approximately half rarely consume nuts, an > intake of only 2 servings of nuts per week (8g/day) may reduce > coronary heart disease mortality by 11%. > The benefits of moderate alcohol consumption continue to be > elucidated. Observational studies demonstrate that moderate alcohol > consumption improves the prognosis in coronary artery disease (CAD). > The increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C) and > beneficial effects on blood clotting are some of the possible > explanations. Now, moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to > improve arterial elasticity in patients with CAD. This study, > presented by Dr. Magorzata Kurpesa of Lodz, Poland, used pulse wave > velocity (PWV) as an indirect, noninvasive assessment of the > mechanical properties of arteries in 46 patients with stable CAD who > rarely consumed alcohol. After PWV measurement, 26 of the patients > started consuming 1 to 2 alcoholic beverages per day and the remaining > 20 did not change their alcohol intake. After a 6-month follow-up > period, the PWV in the control group remained unchanged, whereas that > in the group consuming alcohol significantly decreased (10.5 ± 0.7 > m/sec, P<.05 vs initial). The 2 groups did not differ with regard to > total plasma cholesterol level, but HDL-C was found to be higher in > the group consuming alcohol, although the difference did not achieve > statistical significance. The influence of systematic moderate alcohol > consumption on mechanical properties of arteries could be one of the > possible explanations of its protective effect in CAD. > Moderate alcohol consumption may also impart its benefit on CV risk by > anti-inflammatory effects. A study, presented by Dr. Armin Imhof of > Ulm, Germany, demonstrated that short-term intake of moderate amounts > of alcohol also inhibited monocyte migration in vitro, an important > step in early atherosclerosis. This benefit was seen in > low-concentration ethanol beverages, such as red wine or beer and even > nonalcoholic red wine and beer. Forty-two nonsmoking healthy men and > women aged 22 to 55 years were included in this randomized > intervention study. After a wash-out period of at least 2 weeks, the > participants were randomly assigned to the following interventions for > 3 weeks: either ethanol (concentration 12.5%), beer (5.6%), or red > wine (12.5%) equivalent to 30 g ethanol per day for men and 20 g/day > for women or the same amount of nonalcoholic beer, red wine, or water. > Monocyte migration was inhibited by both consumption of alcoholic and > nonalcoholic beverages compared with consumption of water. Another > study, presented by Dr. J. Dudziak from Bydgoszcz, Poland, showed that > short-term alcohol consumption increases tissue plasminogen activator > (tPA), plasminogen activator inhibitor (PAI), and endothelin-1 plasma > levels in a universal manner, independent of the kind of beverage. The > study group consisted of 57 healthy male volunteers, seminarians of > the Diocesan Theological Seminary, aged 20 to 29 years. All were > nonsmokers and abstainers, and none was taking CV medication or > lipid-lowering agents. Subjects were randomized to consume 300 mL of > either: red wine (Cabernet Sauvignon), white wine (Chardonnay), 14% > ethanol solution, black currant juice. or water, for 5 days. > Statistically significant differences could only be observed by > consumption of alcohol of any kind; the type of alcohol had no impact > on final results. CRP levels were not shown to be affected by > consumption of any sort of beverage. > Another study suggested still another possible mechanism by which > moderate alcohol consumption may lower the risk of CHD. Recently, it > had been suggested that the alcohol metabolizing enzyme, alcohol > dehydrogenase 3 (ADH3 or ADH1C), modifies the association between > alcohol consumption and CHD risk. These data, from the > population-based MONICA/KORA study, as presented by Dr. J. Heidrich of > Muenster, Germany, suggest that genetic variation in alcohol > dehydrogenase may determine the amount of benefit of alcohol > consumption. Alcohol consumption was assessed at baseline among 3674 > men and women aged 25 to 74 years, and ADH3 genotype was determined > (y1y1 = fast alcohol metabolism; y1y2 = intermediate alcohol > metabolism; y2y2 = slow alcohol metabolism). Males with either the > homozygote or heterozygote "slow" allele who took 20 g alcohol/day had > a 31% decrease in CHD risk (HR 0.69; 95% CI 0.18–2.55), suggesting > they may receive greater benefit from moderate alcohol consumption. > > 1. Baigent C, Keech A, Kearney PM, et al. Efficacy and safety of > cholesterol-lowering treatment: prospective meta-analysis of data from > 90,056 participants in 14 randomised trials of statins. Lancet. > 2005;366:1267-1278. > 2. Amarenco P, Bogousslavsky J, Callahan A 3rd, et al. High-dose > atorvastatin after stroke or transient ischemic attack. N Engl J Med. > 2006;355:549-559. > 3. Dormandy JA, Charbonnel B, Eckland DJ, et al. Secondary prevention > of macrovascular events in patients with type 2 diabetes in the > PROactive Study (PROspective pioglitAzone Clinical Trial In > macroVascular Events): a randomised controlled trial. Lancet. > 2005;366:1279-1289. > 4. Lonn E, Yusuf S, Arnold MJ, et al. Homocysteine lowering with folic > acid and B vitamins in vascular disease. N Engl J Med. 2006;354:1567-1577. > 5. De Backer G, Ambrosioni E, Borch-Johnsen K, et al. European > guidelines on cardiovascular disease prevention in clinical practice. > Third Joint Task Force of European and Other Societies on > Cardiovascular Disease Prevention in Clinical Practice. Eur Heart J. > 2003;24:1601-1610. > > > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=+moderate+alcohol++consumption&btnG=Suche&meta= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > > > akal tuh dipake dong, man. > > > >----------------------------------------------------- > > > Betul sekali, akal dan otak harus dipakai , pertama2 jika membaca > sesuatu harus sedikit berusaha mengerti isi dan maknanya , sehingga > kamu bisa mengulasnya dg baik , tidak asal menulis saja ! > Dan belajarlah sehari2 berbahasa Indonesia yg baik, agar tidak memberi > contoh buruk kpd generasi muda , anak2 Indonesia ! > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Aman Sentosa <sentosaaman@> wrote: > > > > > > Saya baca beberapa tulisan disini yg menyinggung ttg konsum > > alkohol , ada yg menganjurkan, ada yg menentang. > > > Dari artikel2 yg bisa dibaca, baik di bibliothek2 atau dari internet > > per Google, > > > dari studi2 yg telah banyak dilakukan oleh institut2 kesehatan di > > Eropa, Asia dan Amerika, bisa ditarik kesimpulan bahwa alkohol dan > > terutama dari anggur merah , bila dikonsum secara teratur dan/tetapi > > tidak excesiv , akan sangat membantu menjaga kesehatan, terutama dlm > > melawan penyakit jantung dan tekanan darah tinggi. > > > Alkohol dari wine merah bagi rakyat Eropa Selatan ( daerah Mediteran > > : Itali,Perancis Selatan,Spanyol,Portugal, Balkan dll ), adalah > > minuman sehari2 yg mereka konsum secara teratur, terutama sbg teman > > makan malam. Dan apa kenyataan yg ada? Penyakit jantung yg disebabkan > > tekanan darah tinggi pada penduduk daerah tsb diatas boleh dikata > > tidak dikenal !!! Mereka rata2 sangat sehat dipandang dari segi > > penyakit jantung . > > > > > > Alkohol, terutama dalam bentuk wine merah mengandung element yg > > sangat bermanfaat bagi darah kita, dia mengandung zat2 ANTIOXIDANT yg > > melindungi dinding cel2 kita dari zat radikal bebas ( ozon : O atau O3 > > ) yg bisa merusak dinding cel2 dg mengoxidasinya. Disamping itu zat yg > > terkandung di wine merah itu mempunyai sifat membantu menaikkan > > konsentrasi HDL (cholesterol "baik") didalam darah sekaligus > > mengurangi konsentrasi LDL( cholesterol "jelek/jahat" ). > > > Sebetulnya HDL dan LDL sendiri bukanlah cholesterol, tetapi molekul2 > > protein yg bisa mengangkut cholesterol , LDL mengangkut cholesterol ke > > cel2 tubuh, terutama yg penting dalam hal ini ke pembuluh2 darah, > > sedang HDL mengangkut kembali cholesterol yg berkelebihan kembali ke > hati. > > > Maka makin banyak molekul2 HDL dan makin sedikit molekul2 LDL dalam > > tubuh seseorang, makin sehatlah orang itu, karena cholesterol yg > > bekelebihan dan terkumpul di dinding2 pembuluh darah yg akibatnya bisa > > menyumbat pembuluh darah itu, akan diangkut kembali ke hati oleh HDL . > > > > > > Buat penduduk mediteran, wine merah ini merupakan tameng ajaib dlm > > melawan penyakit darah tinggi. Bukan hanya itu saja, penyakit diabetes > > dan batu ginjal juga merupakan penyakit sangat langka didaerah2 tsb > > diatas. > > > > > > Dg sendirinya, PENYALAH GUNAAN konsum alkohol adalah hal yg tidak > > bertanggung jawab, baik bagi diri sendiri maupun bagi orang lain yg > > kena dampak penyalah gunaan itu ( perkelahian,agresivitas,kecelakaan > > lalu lintas dll,dll).!!!!!! > > > > > > Menurut statistik, maka grafik antara risiko terkena penyakit > > jantung dan diabetes (sbg sumbu Y) dibandingkan dg konsum alkohol ( > > sbg sumbu X ) adalah berbentuk grafik parabola yg terbuka keatas, > > artinya titik extrem ( dlm hal ini titik minimum) ada dibawah, dan > > dinyatakan titik minimum itu adalah konsum alkohol 22-32 g /hari. > > > Jika wine merah itu mempunyai kadar alkohol 10-12%, maka konsum yg > > paling optimal adalah 200 cc sampai 300 cc wine merah. Ini berarti 1 > > sampai 2 gelas > > > wine tiap hari. > > > Maka benarlah apa yg tertulis, bhw. konsum alkohol ( terutama wine > > merah ) k.l. 2 gelas /hari itu sehat , dan bukanlah alkoholik ! Sebab > > kalau itu alkoholik, maka semua penduduk daerah mediteran adalah > > alkoholik semua, hal ini tak benar, sebab daerah2 itu banyak > > melahirkan tokoh2 dunia, baik dibidang ilmu pengetahuan alam (natural > > science) maupun dibidang politik dan ekonomi ! > > > > > > Maka janganlah hanya menuruti aturan2 atau reka2 atau kepercayaan > > kuno yg tidak ilmiah ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > > Try it now. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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